[Leica] Help! Lost Epson ICC profiles

John Beeching johnbeeching at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 04:53:39 PST 2020 

Hi Wayne,

Yes, backing up is important.

The papers are still sold.  I just feel that Epson does not put much effort into supporting older printers, but they don’t mind still selling the inks!

John
_
John Beeching
johnbeeching at gmail.com
Website: https://johnbeeching.com/
Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching







> On 4 Nov 2020, at 22:57, Wayne Torry via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
> Great news!
> Now. Backup. Backup. Keep a backup next to the computer.
> Another question:
> Is the paper no longer sold? You said that the profiles were no longer
> available from the paper websites.
> What paper will you switch to when you run out?
> Cheers!
> Wayne
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 12:32 PM John Beeching via LUG <lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> My problem is now resolved and I would like to pass on the “solution” so
>> that others don’t have to waste days and exhaust their know expletives.
>> 
>> A suggestion I received from several was to uninstall the printer driver
>> and reinstall it from the Epson website.  I tried this several times but
>> with no success – the driver installed OK but no ICC profiles came with
>> it.  I then discovered that if you install from here:
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x>>
>> you get v10.35 of the driver, which does not have the ICC profiles.
>> However, if you install from this site:
>> https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15 <https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15>
>> <
>> https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15 <https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15>>
>> you get v10.33, which does have the ICC profiles.  So, for some obscure
>> reason the latest version comes without the profiles.  I am now up and
>> running again, but still cursing Epson for several days of frustration.
>> 
>> Happy printing,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> _
>> John Beeching
>> johnbeeching at gmail.com
>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/
>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Wayne Torry via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> I feel your pain.
>>> I am locked in to Lightroom 6 and do not update the OS on my iMac.
>>> Do you have a backup of the computer with the missing profiles?
>>> Are there any online printing or paper user groups where you can get the
>>> profiles?
>>> If you succeed in retrieving the profiles, put them on multiple flash
>>> drives and lock them in a safety deposit box!
>>> Good luck!
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:44 AM John Beeching via LUG <
>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Jayanand,
>>>> 
>>>> They should be in the printer driver package and I have tried
>>>> reinstalling; however, the ICC profiles do not appear.  I suspect that
>>>> while the driver is now 64 bit, the drivers bundled with it are still 32
>>>> bit and as a result to not install on Catalina.
>>>> 
>>>> I realise that there are other solutions like those you suggest.  But I
>> am
>>>> happy with my papers, working within LightRoom and would prefer to avoid
>>>> the complexity of adding in third-party software if possible.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best,
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> _
>>>> John Beeching
>>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com>
>>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/>
>>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 02:31, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think both your profiles are included in the driver package for the
>>>>> printer, in which case, just reinstalling the driver should be enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could also try googling for Stylus Pro 3885 or 3890 - the same
>>>> printer,
>>>>> but differently chipped cartridges for sale in other parts of the
>> world -
>>>>> for example, in India, it was the 3885. I think it is still available
>> for
>>>>> purchase here (at least, it was a few months ago).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise, I see only two real solutions:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - change your standard papers
>>>>> 
>>>>> - use a RIP with profiles, like Imageprint
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:53 PM John Beeching via LUG <
>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto:
>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Jayanand.  But I’ve been there and the list does not include
>> the
>>>>>> two papers I use.  They used to be available, but no longer.
>>>>>> _
>>>>>> John Beeching
>>>>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com> <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/> <https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/>>
>>>>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching> <
>> https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3 Nov 2020, at 16:15, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is this it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>>> 
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:21 PM John Beeching via LUG <
>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto:
>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>> <mailto:
>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto:
>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have “lost” the ICC profiles that I use when printing and cannot
>>>> find
>>>>>>>> them either on my computer or on the printer/paper manufacturer’s
>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>> or elsewhere.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Let me explain: I print from LightRoom (LrC) on an Epson Stylus Pro
>>>> 3880
>>>>>>>> mostly on Epson Enhanced (Archival) Matte or Epson Velvet Fine Art
>>>>>> papers
>>>>>>>> from a Mac running Catalina.  The ICC profiles which I used to use
>>>> are:
>>>>>>>> Epson Stylus Pro 3880_3885_3890 EnhancedMattePaper.icc or Epson
>> Stylus
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>> 3880_3885_3890 ArchivalMattePaper.icc;  and Epson Stylus Pro
>>>>>> 3880_3885_3890
>>>>>>>> VelvetFineArtPaper.icc.  These appear to be no longer available from
>>>> LrC
>>>>>>>> and I cannot find them on the computer.  Neither are they any longer
>>>>>>>> available from the Epson website
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>> <
>> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Though they are still mentioned on this Epson page
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>> <
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>> <
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>> <
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>>> 
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
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>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>> <
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>>> 
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>> <
>> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm>
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I suspect that their disappearance from my computer may have
>> something
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do with upgrading from Mojave to Catalina.  While their loss is not
>>>>>>>> critical when printing black and white photos it is for colour ones.
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would greatly appreciate any help with this frustrating problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _
>>>>>>>> John Beeching
>>>>>>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/>
>>>>>>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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