[Leica] Closed Parc - Don

Wed May 13 08:06:28 PDT 2020

In Barcelona we have Wildlife for all the preferences ….
Lluis

> El 13 maig 2020, a les 13:38, Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> va escriure:
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> Parks, and Parks :-)
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> Barcelons is known to have wild-boars around. 
> https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/bombers/en/noticia/watch-out-for-wild-boars_360417
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> Closing the gates prevents them from investing the nearly deserted places and spreading hepatitis through the community on top of COVID19, mostly to the kids playing in these parks.
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> That might another of the reasons why. But who am I to guess …
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> Amities
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> Philippe, semi-confined and surrounded by wild-boars, cf infra  :-)
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> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Metz/DJI_0220.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=xe8847acf
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>> Le 12 mai 2020 à 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> HI, Phillipe.  My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the
>> stupidity of some government officials.  My daughter had reservations for a
>> camping spot in a Washington State park.  Reservations mean you don't get
>> in the park without one.  Limited number of folks in the huge park.  Yet
>> her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise around the
>> park ensuring that the rules were followed?  What the F&%k are the state
>> employees doing with nobody allowed in the park.  Moving the conversation
>> to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so different
>> age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the
>> gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the rules were
>> followed?  If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions then
>> ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all involved.
>> Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations
>> sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the park or
>> whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some could
>> not keep the rest of the citizens safe.
>> 
>> The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies that make
>> sense for them.  Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns
>> until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is
>> created.  Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful balancing
>> of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus is as
>> low as possible.  In this scenario government finances are stretched to the
>> limit as there is no income coming in.  Some organizations close forever as
>> resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, commitments
>> for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock up said
>> resources).
>> 
>> Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible watching
>> hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with
>> antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources
>> available.  Here you will shut things down progressively if your medical
>> resources begin to overload.  In this scenario deaths may increase
>> dramatically if wrong calls are made.
>> 
>> Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open with
>> strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the virus.
>> Social distancing is strongly enforced.  This is a middle path with
>> possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less
>> affected.
>> 
>> Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as people
>> are found to be infected.  This only works in small population countries
>> with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority.  It also only works
>> when the infection is just starting and the infected are a relatively small
>> number.  This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many are
>> infected to trace the infections.
>> 
>> Scenario 5 is the Swedish model.  Essentially a variation on the German
>> model with more choice by the citizens.  Currently a higher mortality rate
>> than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not developed
>> in 6-18 months.
>> 
>> In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously.  States like
>> Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2.  NY,
>> Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1.  The next
>> few weeks will be enlightening.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> wrote:
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>>> A tragedy yes.
>>> 
>>> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different places,
>>> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the US, etc.
>>> 
>>> Same virus though. Lethal for humans.
>>> 
>>> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerveça ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amities
>>> 
>>> Philippe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Le 12 mai 2020 à 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> That is a tragedy.  Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus.  People just
>>>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask.  Several of our states
>>> have
>>>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the rules.  If
>>>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they won't
>>>> follow them walking down the street.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <
>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> A Parc in confinement….
>>>>> <
>>>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>> 
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Lluis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> Don
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>> Don
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