[Leica] Closed Parc - Don

Douglas Barry imra at iol.ie
Wed May 13 07:17:29 PDT 2020 

Ignore - missed your earlier reply. Very cool shot. The house looks 
great, and roast boar every night to boot!

D

On 13/05/2020 15:12, Douglas Barry wrote:
> Is that your own very fancy Hassy drone, Philippe?
>
>
> On 13/05/2020 12:38, Philippe via LUG wrote:
>> Parks, and Parks :-)
>>
>> Barcelons is known to have wild-boars around.
>> https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/bombers/en/noticia/watch-out-for-wild-boars_360417 
>>
>>
>> Closing the gates prevents them from investing the nearly deserted 
>> places and spreading hepatitis through the community on top of 
>> COVID19, mostly to the kids playing in these parks.
>>
>> That might another of the reasons why. But who am I to guess …
>>
>> Amities
>>
>> Philippe, semi-confined and surrounded by wild-boars, cf infra :-)
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Metz/DJI_0220.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=xe8847acf 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Le 12 mai 2020 à 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>> HI, Phillipe.  My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the
>>> stupidity of some government officials.  My daughter had 
>>> reservations for a
>>> camping spot in a Washington State park.  Reservations mean you 
>>> don't get
>>> in the park without one.  Limited number of folks in the huge park.  
>>> Yet
>>> her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise 
>>> around the
>>> park ensuring that the rules were followed?  What the F&%k are the 
>>> state
>>> employees doing with nobody allowed in the park.  Moving the 
>>> conversation
>>> to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so 
>>> different
>>> age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the
>>> gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the 
>>> rules were
>>> followed?  If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions 
>>> then
>>> ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all 
>>> involved.
>>> Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations
>>> sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the 
>>> park or
>>> whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some 
>>> could
>>> not keep the rest of the citizens safe.
>>>
>>> The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies 
>>> that make
>>> sense for them.  Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns
>>> until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is
>>> created.  Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful 
>>> balancing
>>> of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus 
>>> is as
>>> low as possible.  In this scenario government finances are stretched 
>>> to the
>>> limit as there is no income coming in.  Some organizations close 
>>> forever as
>>> resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, 
>>> commitments
>>> for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock 
>>> up said
>>> resources).
>>>
>>> Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible 
>>> watching
>>> hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with
>>> antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources
>>> available.  Here you will shut things down progressively if your 
>>> medical
>>> resources begin to overload.  In this scenario deaths may increase
>>> dramatically if wrong calls are made.
>>>
>>> Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open 
>>> with
>>> strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the 
>>> virus.
>>> Social distancing is strongly enforced.  This is a middle path with
>>> possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less
>>> affected.
>>>
>>> Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as 
>>> people
>>> are found to be infected.  This only works in small population 
>>> countries
>>> with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority.  It also only 
>>> works
>>> when the infection is just starting and the infected are a 
>>> relatively small
>>> number.  This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many 
>>> are
>>> infected to trace the infections.
>>>
>>> Scenario 5 is the Swedish model.  Essentially a variation on the German
>>> model with more choice by the citizens.  Currently a higher 
>>> mortality rate
>>> than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not 
>>> developed
>>> in 6-18 months.
>>>
>>> In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously. States like
>>> Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2.  NY,
>>> Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1.  
>>> The next
>>> few weeks will be enlightening.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A tragedy yes.
>>>>
>>>> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different 
>>>> places,
>>>> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the 
>>>> US, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Same virus though. Lethal for humans.
>>>>
>>>> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerveça ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amities
>>>>
>>>> Philippe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Le 12 mai 2020 à 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a tragedy.  Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus.  People 
>>>>> just
>>>>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask.  Several of our 
>>>>> states
>>>> have
>>>>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the 
>>>>> rules.  If
>>>>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they 
>>>>> won't
>>>>> follow them walking down the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <
>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A Parc in confinement….
>>>>>> <
>>>>>>
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html 
>>>>
>>>>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Don
>>>>> don.dory at gmail.com
>>>>>
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>>> -- 
>>> Don
>>> don.dory at gmail.com
>>>
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