[Leica] New Leica!

Tue Apr 2 13:18:22 PDT 2019

I disagree, Mark.  In the old days, I cropped.  I've always cropped.

Just look at my images and know that I crop.

On the other hand, I never turn on the "crop" feature on my Sony full
frame cameras.

Regards,

Sonny
http://sonc.com/look/
Natchitoches, Louisiana
1714
Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase

USA

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:01 PM Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
> A "crop" is a term which gets used different ways.
> In the old days it meant later on after you make your contact sheet declaring to not print all the neg but take a red grease pencil and draw a box in it and print that instead. Its an afterthought. Not done as you're shooting. But maybe you could foresee it. Like people who always cropped rectangles out of their square format shots.
> Now "cropped" means you're shooting less than a full frame sensor. And more recently means setting your camera to do that as you're shooting. Its pre cropped for you.   You never see what you didn't want.
> So it's not an afterthought. It’s a present tense thought.
>
> In in the old days what you saw thought your camera was thought to be special and you shouldn’t crop less than that later.
>
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>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
>
> On 4/2/19, 11:02 AM, "LUG on behalf of Steve Barbour via LUG" <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>
>     Yes, I totally agree with Sonny , "every image you make is a crop!".
>
>
>     > On Apr 2, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Sonny Carter via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>     >
>     > Every time you put a camera to your eye you begin to crop the picture.
>     >  Where you stand, how high you hold the camera, how tall or short you
>     > are, which lens you choose;   It's all the same thing as cropping.
>     >
>     > I've been shooting pictures for more than sixty years, and one thing
>     > I've found out, if you don't crop the picture, the editor will.
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Sonny
>     > http://sonc.com/look/
>     > Natchitoches, Louisiana
>     > 1714
>     > Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase
>     >
>     > USA
>     >
>     > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:32 AM Steve Barbour via LUG
>     > <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> The "No-Croppers” will not buy it.
>     >>
>     >> Steve
>     >>
>     >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:56 AM, CartersXRd via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> The Q2 will will present an interessting artistic quandry of those who refuse to crop the sacred 3:2 format.
>     >>>
>     >>> Will throwing the switch from 28 to 35 or 50 or 75 be a sinful crop, or present a whole new holy rectangle?
>     >>>
>     >>> ric
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Howard Ritter via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> For me, digital zoom is a bit like an automatic transmission (or a point-and-shoot function in a camera). It accomplishes one thing, a center crop of fixed size, effortlessly. If you can work a clutch and shift stick in your favorite image-processing program, you can have a crop centered anywhere, of any size, of any dimensions. And you get to work in raw/png/dng/tiff rather than jpeg.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I frankly, no pun intended, don’t see the allure. Except maybe that the VF crops the view as well as the sensor.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> —howard
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On Apr1, 2019, at 1432, Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> The new Leica Q2 has the following specs....
>     >>>>> 24x36 full frame sensor
>     >>>>> Sensor has resolution of 47.3MP
>     >>>>> Summilux 28 mm f/1.7 ASPH fixed, non-zoom, and non-interchangeable lens
>     >>>>> OLED viewfinder has a resolution of 3.68 megapixels  ( no optical RF or VF)
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Internal cropping ( now referred to as "digital zoom") of this lens allows for the following fixed equivalent Fl and resolutions.....  BUT for JPG files ONLY!!
>     >>>>> Zoom 28 mm: 47 megapixels (8368x5584 pixels), 24 megapixels (6000x4000 pixels), 12 megapixels (4271x2848 pixels). 3 different resolutions, I guess dependent on JPG compression ratios.....
>     >>>>> Zoom 35 mm: 30 megapixels (6704x4472 pixels), 15 megapixels (4800x3200 pixels), 8 megapixels (3424x2288 pixels)
>     >>>>> Zoom 50 mm: 15 megapixels (4688x3128 pixels), 8 megapixels (3360x2240 pixels), 4 megapixels (2400x1600 pixels)
>     >>>>> Zoom 75 mm: 7 megapixels (3136x2096 pixels), 3 megapixels (2240x1496 pixels), 2 megapixels (1600x1072 pixels)
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> DNG:  RAW files of 47.3MP  No Zoom at all.  Crop in your choice of LR, or other.....
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> As long as you are happy to shoot JPG files, this is a fine set of specs.
>     >>>>> If you wish to shoot RAW images, not as much.... but you o get to crop in your own HxW ratios and specific areas to crop.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> If they would simply put a M mount on the camera, forget the AF, and focus the camera on the Digi-M functions, it would be a fine camera for me.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Frank Filippone
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
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