[Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY TINA.

Mon May 7 13:46:49 PDT 2018

Exactly!

Thank you, Keith.

Tina

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Keith Wessel <keith at wesselphoto.com> wrote:

> Someone (perhaps from this list) posted the following article on FB.   I
> think it furthers our understanding of Tina’s point.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/world/asia/nobuyoshi-
> araki-photographer-model.html
>
> This article also assists us understand.  It is not so much the nudity, or
> whether or not we like the art, it has something to do with power over the
> subject.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/13/opinion/contributors/salma-
> hayek-harvey-weinstein.html
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Tina Manley via LUG
> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 1:19 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Cc: Tina Manley
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY TINA.
>
> Thanks, Ted.  I know you never photographed nudes!  Irene had something to
> do with that, I'm sure ;-)  Tom knows my opinion of pornographic photos but
> even he jokes sometimes that I could make more money doing "erotic" photos
> and has volunteered to recruit models.  (NO!!  He knows his life would be
> in danger!)
>
> As the only regular female contributor to the LUG, I feel a responsibility
> to stand up against the trend on OTHER sites (not the LUG) of taking
> advantage of young girls by "dirty old men" with cameras.  I skip such
> sites and block them whenever I can but that doesn't help the young girls
> who are being taken advantage of.  Speaking up for them might help them to
> realize that their bodies are their own and to be valued instead of
> merchandized.
>
> This is a site on FB that I have blocked.  It's premise and statement have
> nothing at all to do with the photos that are posted.
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/spbph/
>
> This is the kind of salacious photography I am talking about.
>
> Most of the nude photography that has been posted on the LUG falls into the
> "art" category and I appreciate that.  It's wonderful for a family to visit
> an art gallery and admire beautiful depictions of the human body.  It's not
> fine for a family to look over Uncle Randy's shoulder as he peruses
> pornographic websites.  That's the difference for this LUG family member.
>
> Thanks, Brian.
>
> Tina
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Ted Grant via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tina,
> > I agree with you absolutely! I many many years ago tried to shoot a nude
> or
> > two! But I was always freaked out about doing them that I'd get in real
> > trouble with my wife Irene. On top of that "my art photos" were about as
> > interesting as a pile of bricks!
> > Actually I think a pile of bricks would've been more interesting and
> > exciting. :-) So I stuck to war, sports and the world over enjoying
> myself
> > as you know! :-)
> > cheers,
> > Dr. ted  :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Tina Manley via LUG
> > Sent: May-06-18 7:03 PM
> > To: lug
> > Cc: Tina Manley
> > Subject: [Leica] Was Need printing paper advice, Now NUDITY
> >
> > From: Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
> > Date: Sun, May 6, 2018 at 9:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Need printing paper advice
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >
> >
> > I'll claim a "Me, too" here and say that I do not appreciate any nudes
> > which appear to take advantage of unwitting females for the sole purpose
> of
> > exposing their bodies salaciously.  Gratuitous nakedness for the purpose
> of
> > arousal of one sex at the expense of the other, but claiming to be art,
> > offends me.
> >
> > That said, I appreciate nudity as art, but not as pornography.  Most of
> the
> > nude photography I have seen on the internet falls under the category of
> > "old, rich man with cameras taking advantage of poor, young girls with no
> > clothes who think they will be famous models."  On Facebook, the St.
> > Petersburg Photographic Society photos are almost entirely in that
> > category.  I find them very offensive and demeaning to women.
> >
> > If the nudity is labeled as such, I will view it and make my own
> decisions
> > as to whether or not to view more by that photographer. I do defend their
> > right to post the photos and do not approve of censorship.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard,
> > >
> > > I have had very good results with the Epson Velvet Fine Art for a matte
> > > paper, and Ilford Gold Mono Silk for glossy b&w (no idea why a
> particular
> > > paper would be better for b&w, but I like it).  Another excellent matte
> > > paper is Hahnemuhle Torchon or most any of the Hahnemuhle papers for
> that
> > > matter.  The photo ink line on my Epson 3880 failed, so I've been
> > > revisiting the matte papers.  I'll order a new P800 anyway, but it has
> > been
> > > an eye-opener after printing only on gloss papers the last several
> years.
> > >
> > > Speaking of nudes, many years ago I joined a local photography club and
> > it
> > > had a "competition" night.  In the spirit of things, I entered a b&w
> nude
> > > from a class with Cole Weston.  I was given one point out of five
> because
> > > "nudes are not an appropriate subject for a photo club".  In
> retrospect,
> > > they were pretty awful.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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