[Leica] Developing E-4 Ektachrome at home

Wed Jun 20 15:08:14 PDT 2018

I dunno, Sonny. From what I see coming out of Washington and out of  Ottawa, I think our Neighbors To The North are a LOT less spacey than we are…

—howard

> On Jun 20, 2018, at 17:14, Sonny Carter via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
> I think Ohio is not as close to outer Space as Canada is, so maybe his film
> will be safe from radiation!   ;-)
> 
> SonC
> 
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Ted Grant via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> The only thing I can add to this is?
>> Depending how old the film is will depend if you have any images at all?
>> Even depending on your processing? WHY?
>> Simply depending on the radiation factor of planet Earth and time the film
>> was exposed until today? The radiation can or might have destroyed your
>> images.
>> Many photogs have no idea about Planet Earths' radiation factor and it's
>> effect on long time exposure to it. Yep it's there 24 hours a day and we?
>> YES US the shooters with cameras and film are subjected to it daily!!
>> I suppose as I have been told you can give it a try? however others have
>> offered in processing? MAYBE YOU'LL GET LUCKY????"
>> good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> cheers,
>> Dr.Ted Grant O.C.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf
>> Of Don Dory via LUG
>> Sent: June-20-18 8:47 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Cc: Don Dory
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Developing E-4 Ektachrome at home
>> 
>> My suggestion would be to use an extreme compensating developer say Rodinal
>> 1/100 with no agitation.  Memory tells me that the chromes have extreme
>> contrast that needs to be moderated.  Also, after all this time latent
>> images will be weak and lots of fog.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 10:43 AM Howard L Ritter Jr <hlritter at twc.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve read that E-4 and E-6 processes are very different, and that E-4
>> film
>>> will be ruined by E-6 processing. For one thing, E-4 film needs a
>>> pre-hardening step that E-6 doesn’t employ, to keep the emulsion from
>>> detaching from the film base. I think this might be the main obstruction
>> to
>>> home processing.
>>> 
>>> It’s been surprisingly unfruitful to google this topic.
>>> 
>>> —howard
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2018, at 07:48, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> AFAIR, E4 was lower temperature than E6 - many decades since I shot
>>> Kodak colour IR ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Montie via LUG
>>>> Sent: 20 June 2018 08:23
>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>>> Cc: Montie
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Developing E-4 Ektachrome at home
>>>> 
>>>> If it were me, I'd be shopping around for a single shot E-6 kit
>>> (Formulary, B&H, etc.) There may be some still around. I'm thinkin E-4
>> film
>>> will render a usable image (if properly exposed) processed in E-6.
>>>> Could be wrong, again, it's been decades...But something to check on.
>> ;-/
>>>> 
>>>> Montie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Does anyone know anything about home processing of E-4 Ektachrome as
>> a
>>> B&W negative?
>>>> 
>>>> My brother just came across Dad’s old View-Master stereo camera, opened
>>> the back, and discovered that it had a partially exposed roll of film in
>>> it. He sent the camera to me and I figured out how to rewind the film.
>>> (Thank you, Mike Butkus at Orphan Cameras, butkus.org <
>> http://butkus.org/>)
>>> When I took it out, I found that it’s process E-4 Ektachrome, which I was
>>> told was marketed from 1963-74. I suspect the film was shot toward the
>>> early part of that period. I’d like to see what images of me and my sibs
>>> might be on it.
>>>> 
>>>> It can be processed at some expense by several commercial labs, but
>>> they’ll develop it as a B&W negative. I’d think this could be done at
>> home,
>>> since it’s the color and the reversal that take the exotic chemicals and
>>> the technique, correct? I know there’s a caveat about the need for
>>> hardening of the emulsion of E-4 film prior to processing, so this might
>>> make it impossible to do at home.
>>>> 
>>>> Any instructions, experiences, or guidance appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW, I’m running a roll of Ilford Delta 100, the highest ASA the camera
>>> is calibrated for – and it goes down to ASA 4, for original Kodachrome! –
>>> through it now. It might yield some interesting images for those who can
>>> fuse stereo pairs by staring at them onscreen. If so, I’ll post them.
>>>> 
>>>> (This camera has an innovative system with linked ASA, shutter speed,
>>> and aperture dials, calibrated for subject brightness and for
>> illumination
>>> level – and even for summer or winter! – obviating the need for a light
>>> meter. As I recall, it was quite effective even with the slide film that
>> it
>>> had to use. It had fixed-focus lenses and a viewfinder that incorporated
>> a
>>> spirit level below the field of view, as leveling is critical for a
>> stereo
>>> camera. A flash attachment with its own built-in split-image rangefinder
>>> for determining the correct aperture setting was available. Because the
>>> stereo effect was more pronounced the closer the subject, two degrees of
>>> close-up lenses were available, going down to 20". Conceptually and
>>> mechanically, it’s a fascinating camera and system.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> —howard
>>>> 
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