[Leica] Leica digital vs Sony A7RIII

Mon Jan 29 21:49:24 PST 2018

I don’t doubt any of that, but I needed to make a decision when my m9 was away.  The SL was on a far horizon at that point but still might have been vaporware for all we really knew so the Expense of Leica didn’t enter the picture. 
    My first Sony was the A7r, and just as I was getting to know and love the high Rez, it was stolen.  About that time my M9 returned, and I realized the hardships I had been enduring with the tiny non moving back screen, and low ISO.  

 I spent the insurance on an A7s, the queen of low light/ available dark.  Loved it even more, but missed the high Rez.  When the A7r2 came out, I pounced.  What a gem of a camera!

In December I was drawn to the high Rez, big battery, and eye focus of the A7r3.  I’m real happy with it.

  I’ll probably sell one of the others, and I sold my M9, but I only miss M photography a little bit.  If I get jonesin’ for shooting M, I still have my M4.   So Far.  

Sonny Carter
http://www.SonC.com/look

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 11:28 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> After brief tries with Canon and Fuji, I am back to nothing but Leica.  I
> gave the other cameras to my daughter.  Nothing compares with the files I
> get from Leica cameras and Leica lenses.  I'm am using the SL and the 24-90
> about 80% of the time.  I still carry the M240 and a few M lenses and
> sometimes get out the MM, too.  For travel photos, the SL is superb.   The
> three SL lenses I have are phenomenal.  I can also use all of my R and M
> lenses on the SL.
> 
> Yes, they are expensive, but you get what you pay for!
> 
> Tina
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed, the extra sensor resolution is eye opening.  I probably will use a
>> very heavily cropped image for Wednesday.  At lower ISO's say under 800
>> with a very good lens you can crop maybe 75% and still have a good image
>> for largish images.  But, as I get a wee bit older the thought of 4.5 stops
>> effective image stabilization avoids the use of a tripod for many images.
>> I would like feedback as to using the ten frames a second for focus
>> stacking without a tripod.  Although a quad I7 processor may not be enough
>> for 15 42MP images stacked.  Maybe go make some coffee while the computer
>> slaves away.
>> 
>> However, if Leica ever returns my M9 then I would have the best of both
>> with some thought as to what images are on the table for the day.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:36 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Doug, the 42 morning is a big factor for me too, as well as the
>> ability
>>> to use any lens in my drawer, not to mention the rather fab 55 mm native
>>> Zeiss FE.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:04 PM Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For myself the voice was between the Leica SL and the Sony a7rII (in
>> 2018
>>>> I'd consider the a7rIII instead of the a7rII).  I prefer the SL's user
>>>> interface but two big factors pushed me toward the Sony: IBIS and 42MP.
>>>> 
>>>> IBIS works with any lens I can put on the camera most notably my
>>> Precious,
>>>> the 280/4 APO R.
>>>> 42MP instead of 24MP with a stabilized APO lens (on the SL I last used
>>> the
>>>> 90-280 APO) avoids most of the aliasing and moire in fine feather
>> detail.
>>>> There's also weight distribution: The SL is more weight in my hands,
>> less
>>>> in my wallet.  Vice versa with the Sony.
>>>> 
>>>> Doug Herr
>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Jan 29, 2018 9:54 AM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Leica digital vs Sony A7RIII
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not to be disruptive but I am in the midst of figuring out which way
>> if
>>>> any
>>>>> to go.  I have been happy with my A7R and have dealt with the shutter
>>>>> bounce issues fairly well.  So, this model is getting long in the
>> tooth.
>>>>> For Mark this is about the 5 axis stabilization, 1.5 to 2 stop better
>>>> tonal
>>>>> scale, much better high ISO capabilities not so much newer and
>> shinier.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, I am a very long term M user and truly value the ability to use
>> the
>>>>> camera as a wow, click tool.  I have done very well with M's as a
>>>> landscape
>>>>> camera and with focus stacking you can do amazing things with Leica.
>>> But,
>>>>> the lure of lower cost, higher pixel count, image stabilization is
>>>>> calling.  On the up side my Leica wides will work better on the M
>>> platform
>>>>> than elsewhere without some interesting modifications.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, I am sort of locked into the Sony alternative as I have adapters
>>> for
>>>>> everything from Exacta to Contarex and just about every mount in
>>> between.
>>>>> Although I do truly appreciate the integration Olympus has done with
>>> their
>>>>> sensors and lenses; I have a very significant investment in a lot of
>>>> lenses
>>>>> that would not benefit from the Olympus integration with their brand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, please chime in.  Especially Sonny who has had a III for a while
>> and
>>>>> can comment intelligently about pros and cons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to all for considering this concept we have all faced with
>>> varying
>>>>> platforms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Don
>>>>> don.dory at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sonny
>>> http://sonc.com/look/
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>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Don
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>> 
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