[Leica] (no subject)

Frank Farmer frank at f3documentaryphotography.com
Fri Feb 23 20:21:02 PST 2018 

I get what y’all are saying. I love 1600. But, each of you are talking about practicality. My point was look. What does the image look like based on the film shot? Sure, Tri-X or T-Max 3200 for that matter (I shot a ton of that) fixes a problem we’ve all experienced. The practicality wasn’t my point, though. I like the Plus-X look better than Tri-X. That’s me. I totally understand picking the right tool for the job. Given the choice, though . . . .


Frank F. Farmer
Jackson, Mississippi 

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm with Ted with 1600 being my favorite film speed as most the stuff I shot was not with studio or camera lights or tripods but outside hand held.
> In the 90's I mainly shot Fuji Neopan 1600 @ 1600 with my Leica's on the go. That was what was mainly in my tall developing tanks when I developed film. I ran it in Xtol 1:3 it looked way better than Tri x in D76 1:1 ever did so it was a bit of a miracle.  Iso 1600 and not pushed!
> Today it was announced Kodak's Tmax P3200 is back and P stands for push rhymes with mush it’s a real not chromegic iso 1600 film. It always cost a ton of money and I never thought it was worth it. And never came in Brownie size. But it would be great to be able to shoot black and white iso 1600 again as 400 really feels slow. I'd shoot iso 1600 color neg and convert it to black and white. 
> If I ever shoot more film it will be with my Rolleiflex or it will be sheet film.
> 
> Personally I feel shooting slow films on the street to be kind of like shooting yourself in the foot and going out for track. Slow as in iso 100. And that’s medium. Much has been made on the LUG over the years about getting the best from your Leica glass with high rez slow films but when your shutter speed is an 8th of a second all you're getting out of your Leica glass is mush. 
> It would be great to have a second camera body loaded with slower films for when its high noon in the Bonneville salt flats and you want depth if field but on the whole I can pass on it.
> F ISO 1600 and be there!
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> Mark William Rabiner
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> On 2/23/18, 1:31 AM, "LUG on behalf of Ted Grant via LUG" <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Frank,
>    I always used the correct film as it made picture taking and quality perfect prints every time. But then my assignments were all shot by AVAILIBLE LIGHT!! 
>    Well first of all if you can see it (the subject) you can shoot it! Oh sure the odd time the ASA was 1600, but who cared! Like I said >>>> "IF YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECTS IN A "STEEL MILL?"
>    What the heck at ASA 1600 and LEICA glass wide open it was a piece of cake!
>    You see, in my 65 plus years of assignments about the world from birth to death you had to come home with photos! GOOD ONES and no sick assed excuses after developing the film? 
>    If the images weren't any good that could very well be your last assignment for a very well paying client. MY GOOD FORTUNE?   "it never happened!"  :-)
>    My shooting attitude toward gear, film, printing etc? "was always "KISS!"
>    "" KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!"  KISS  :-)
>    And in all those years from 27 May 1950 when my dearest wife put the first camera in my hands as a birthday gift until to this day I never had a client dump me as one of their trusted photographers. Today with the NATIONAL ARCHIVES of CANADA having a personal collection of 200,000 images of captured life moments. Plus something like another 100,000 images in the NATIONAL GALLERY. 
>    I can only offer my success to that sweet little word and the actions of it. "KISS!" :-)
>    CHEERS EVERY ONE,
>    Dr. ted grant O.C.
> 
>    tedgrantphoto.com
>    (have a look) :-)
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>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Frank Farmer
>    Sent: February-21-18 6:46 PM
>    To: Leica Users Group
>    Subject: Re: [Leica] (no subject)
> 
>    LOVED Plus-X. Always preferred it to Tri-X. Does that make me some sort of weirdo?
> 
>    Frank F. Farmer
>    Jackson, Mississippi 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I shot a ton of 220 Plus X in my studio and sometimes on location with my Hasselblads but sometimes twin lens Rolleiflex.
>> It was Avedon's film as choice I've learned for black and white.
>> For 35mm though I'd use tab grain films for mid speed films.. Delta 100, T Max 100. I settled into Neopan Acros 100,
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>> -- 
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
>> 
>> On 2/19/18, 4:28 PM, "LUG on behalf of Alan Magayne-Roshak" <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of amr3 at uwmalumni.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>wrote:
>> 
>>> I pulled two B&W images from my archives as a part of a discussion with
>>> Jim Shulman about early Kodak Plus-X film.?
>>> ...
>>> ...
>> 
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/20070711-
>>   jaycee+pancake.JPG.html
>>   <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/20070711-jaycee+pancake.JPG.html>
>> 
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/20070712-
>>   Tullahoma+Jaycees+Pancake+Breakfast+07+54.JPG.html
>>   <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/20070712-Tullahoma+Jaycees+Pancake+Breakfast+07+54.JPG.html>
>> 
>>> Jim also has a photo of Aunt Jemima at a promotional event that same year.
>> 
>>> Comments and critiques welcomed and appreciated.
>> 
>>   --
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>   =============================================================================================
>>   Thanks for showing us.  I love looking at old film pictures.
>> 
>>   -- 
>>   Alan
>> 
>>   Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
>>   University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Photo Services
>>   (Retired)
>>   UPAA Photographer of the Year 1978
>>   UPAA Master of the Profession 2014
>>   amr3 at uwm.edu
>>   http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/
>> 
>>   "All the technique in the world doesn't compensate
>>    for an inability to notice. " - Elliott Erwitt
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