[Leica] Sony Cameras Electronic first Shutter Curtain

[Jim Nichols]

Hi Sonny,

This discussion has been very enlightening, though I don't own a Sony.  
But, the iPhone also has a silent mode, and I have used that from time 
to time in public places.  Quite handy.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 2/18/2018 5:35 AM, Sonny Carter via LUG wrote:
> On four Sony cameras that I’ve owned, three had Silent Shutter as an actual
> setting.  The original A7r that was stolen from me did not.
>
> When set to SS, there’s no sound from the camera upon exposure save lens
> aperture or focus, barely audible.
>
> First shutter may behave similar, but I do believe it emits a sound.
>
> As to the color bits issue,  I find it negligible.
>
> Color is the strong point of the A7r2 and a7r3, as it is on the A7s. Else I
> would not dare the attempt on roses and other pure red and orange flowers
> that I do.
>   Just look at my body of work for examples. For something like 16 years
> I’ve been posting my flowers on this site. Leica, Panasonic, oly, Pentax;
> I’ve tried them all.  When I got to Sony I stopped looking.
> I spend a bit of time editing my pictures but color is not usually part of
> the effort.
>
> Sonny
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:30 AM Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> We are not on different pages....
>> Silent shutter means electronic first and ending shutter.  basically, no
>> shutter movement at all.  (Or, in the limit, no shutter at all)
>>
>> You are correct, as some models have electronic first shutter capability,
>> both front and ending electronic shutter, some neither.
>>
>> Specifically, I have the A7 and A7II.  I was trying to point out the
>> tradeoff of a LESS quiet ( First Shutter ) or, in my interest, less
>> vibration vs less color depth.
>>
>> Scott... to answer your question, I have never had to do much in the line
>> of image color tweaking.... sometimes, I change WB from auto to a specific
>> condition ( for example, cloudy) and sometimes saturation is upped a tiny
>> amount....but otherwise, I find the colors fine......
>> Maybe I have low expectations?  Perhaps I like non-oversaturated colors?
>> II should add that mostly I shoot landscapes.
>>
>> Frank Filippone Red735i at verizon.net
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018, Sonny Carter via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't thinkfirst curtain and Silent shooting is exactly the same. Silent
>> is only avaiable in some Sony models, notably the A7s ans s2, and the A7r2
>> and A7r3. There may be more. Guidelines for silent shooting:
>> http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1420/v1/en/contents/TP0000525767.html First
>> Curtain info:
>> https://sony-paa-pa-en-web--paa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87419/~/what-is-the-electronic-front-curtain-shutter-function%3F
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Scott Gregory via LUG <
>> lug at leica-users.org > wrote: > Frank it seems your compromise quote is
>> accurate > From what I read. And wondering how much of what one reads is
>> true. For > example I have seen posts in various forms about Sony that the
>> colour out > of the camera needs a lot of processing. Are you finding that?
>>>> Scott > > > On Feb 17, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Frank Filippone <
>> red735i at verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > There has been a flurry of talk
>> about the use of this feature. ( this > is the discussion about distorted
>> fast moving subjects when used with the > e-shutter which migrated from
>> discussions of noisy cameras during > Pesidential news announcements) > > >
>>> Sony has announced a scientific paper for a imaging sensor with an A/D >
>> converter behind each sensor pixel. Using this technology would mean that >
>> all the pixels woud be time registered at one time, and the distortion of >
>> fast moving subjects would be eliminated. > > > > More importanty, it would
>> also mean there is no need for a mechanical > shutter mechanism. > > > >
>> The President’s office would again be a silent place.... or so one would >
>> hope. > > > > Note that I have been using this e-shutter feature since I
>> purchased my > 2 Sonys..... > > I am now experimenting with the feature
>> since it has a downside. 12 vs > 14 bit color depth. > > > > Everything is
>> a compromise.... is it better to have more color depth at > the expense of
>> shutter shake just before the image is captured? > > > > Frank Filippone
>> Red735i at verizon.net > > > >
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