[Leica] Xtol recomended dilutions
Richard Man
richard at richardmanphoto.com
Fri Jun 16 11:54:17 PDT 2017
Medium format, you just type it end to end
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
wrote:
> Back to back, Shiny side to shiny side. You can wet your finger and see
> which side sticks - in the dark.
> Emulsion sides out. 35mm only. Does not work with medium format.
>
>
> --
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
>
> On 6/15/17, 1:53 PM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks again! I was sometimes tempted to put 2 films on the same reel,
> maybe I wil intend it.
>
> Concerning the water, I don’t know which is the PH of the Barcelona’s
> water, for developing I use distilled water (desionized water) mixed with
> all chemicals (Developer, Stop Bath and Fixer), the city water was with
> some nini partices that made small spots on the film, visibles on scanning
> process (not in the darkroom), I suppose it will work well …
>
> Best!
> Lluis
>
>
>
> > El 15 juny 2017, a les 18:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> va escriure:
> >
> > Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same
> reel! And taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I
> got this from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70’s
> it worked.
> > But it makes Kodak’s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts
> them in the dust.
> > I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol.
> > Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they
> should have been.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> > Photographer
> >
> > On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it!
> You mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I’ve not use it after a
> while and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with
> this one was very fine.
> >
> > Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very
> interesting to follow.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Lluis
> >
> >
> >
> >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> va escriure:
> >>
> >> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you’ll see the top,
> smart, nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints
> sold for the most money and who dressed better.
> >> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it
> its way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is
> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2
> for a while and my prints were obviously worse.
> >>
> >> By the way in my college in the early 70’s in St. Louis, we did us
> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I’d never
> heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The
> students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended
> 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as
> being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad
> less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It
> looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes.
> >> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you’re seeing
> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a
> notch. But you’ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing.
> >> Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16’ minutes 70 degrees’ agitation every
> minute and the first full minute.
> >> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10
> seconds and the first full minute.
> >> Delta 100 14’
> >> Delta 3200 16’
> >> Delta 400 14’ Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about
> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an
> iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used
> it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the
> studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good.
> >> Neopan Acros 100 16 ‘ as high a rez film anyone would ever want or
> need in Xtol 1:3
> >> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your
> point and wanting to keep shorter times.
> >> You’ll shoot more with a big boy tank.
> >> Pan F 50, they still make it. 12’
> >> Tri X 400 11’
> >> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15’
> >> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different
> for different formats why no one knows.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >> Photographer
> >>
> >> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris, Dan
> >>
> >> I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping
> times. I’ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Lluis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <
> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure:
> >>>
> >>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the
> tonality as
> >>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results
> >>> diluted 1+1.
> >>>
> >>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out,
> listed
> >>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got
> severely
> >>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak’s times.
> Turns out,
> >>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the
> film in a
> >>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be
> 200ml of
> >>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3
> developing, you
> >>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls!
> >>>
> >>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of
> people
> >>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the
> times for
> >>> the higher dilutions!
> >>>
> >>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info
> booklet,
> >>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak
> reformulated
> >>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for
> Ilford
> >>> films, which might still work if you’re interested in seeing it.
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> >>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on
> behalf of
> >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don’t have a large experience with Xtol, I’ve used for years
> ID11/D76.
> >>>> I’ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol
> Stock at
> >>>> the recomended time, but I’m unhappy with the results. I’ve used
> it in
> >>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain
> effect.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4
> and HP5.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance
> >>>>
> >>>> Lluis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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