[Leica] Xtol recomended dilutions
Mark Rabiner
mark at rabinergroup.com
Fri Jun 16 09:57:25 PDT 2017
I’m a big boy Dan I don’t use those silly plastic jobbies! They are for babies.
But the company which made the thicker steel reels I replaced my thinner ones in the 90’s was Jobo.
You think of them you think of plastic.
--
Mark William Rabiner
Photographer
On 6/15/17, 7:05 PM, "LUG on behalf of Dan Khong" <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of dankhong at gmail.com> wrote:
Mark
Interesting! Did you roll them together in a stainless reel or in one of
those Paterson plastic ones?
Dan K.
On Friday, June 16, 2017, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! And
> taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I got this
> from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70’s it
> worked.
> But it makes Kodak’s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them in
> the dust.
> I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol.
> Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should
> have been.
>
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> --
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
>
> On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org <javascript:;> on
> behalf of lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You
> mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I’ve not use it after a while
> and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with this
> one was very fine.
>
> Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to
> follow.
>
> Thank you
> Lluis
>
>
>
> > El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
> <javascript:;>> va escriure:
> >
> > If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you’ll see the top,
> smart, nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints
> sold for the most money and who dressed better.
> > Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it
> its way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is
> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2
> for a while and my prints were obviously worse.
> >
> > By the way in my college in the early 70’s in St. Louis, we did us
> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I’d never
> heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The
> students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended
> 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as
> being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad
> less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It
> looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes.
> > A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you’re seeing
> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a
> notch. But you’ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing.
> > Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16’ minutes 70 degrees’ agitation every
> minute and the first full minute.
> > All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10
> seconds and the first full minute.
> > Delta 100 14’
> > Delta 3200 16’
> > Delta 400 14’ Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about
> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an
> iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used
> it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the
> studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good.
> > Neopan Acros 100 16 ‘ as high a rez film anyone would ever want or
> need in Xtol 1:3
> > Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your
> point and wanting to keep shorter times.
> > You’ll shoot more with a big boy tank.
> > Pan F 50, they still make it. 12’
> > Tri X 400 11’
> > Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15’
> > All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for
> different formats why no one knows.
> >
> >
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> > Photographer
> >
> > On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org <javascript:;> on
> behalf of lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Chris, Dan
> >
> > I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping
> times. I’ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lluis
> >
> >
> >
> >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <
> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com <javascript:;>> va escriure:
> >>
> >> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality
> as
> >> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results
> >> diluted 1+1.
> >>
> >> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out,
> listed
> >> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely
> >> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak’s times.
> Turns out,
> >> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the
> film in a
> >> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be
> 200ml of
> >> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3
> developing, you
> >> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls!
> >>
> >> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of
> people
> >> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the
> times for
> >> the higher dilutions!
> >>
> >> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info
> booklet,
> >> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak
> reformulated
> >> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for
> Ilford
> >> films, which might still work if you’re interested in seeing it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Crawford
> >> Fine Art Photography
> >> Fort Wayne, Indiana
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> >>
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> >>
> >> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
> >> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org
> <javascript:;> on behalf of
> >> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don’t have a large experience with Xtol, I’ve used for years
> ID11/D76.
> >>> I’ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol
> Stock at
> >>> the recomended time, but I’m unhappy with the results. I’ve used
> it in
> >>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain
> effect.
> >>>
> >>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and
> HP5.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>>
> >>> Lluis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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