[Leica] Leica M10

Wed Jan 25 10:33:17 PST 2017

On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've written this several times (about the M240) and I know there are some
> Leica folks who monitor this list. I'm not too worried as my Kolarivision
> modified Sony A7r II rectifies all these shortcomings. I still use my M's
> for a normal exposure situations (daylight landscapes, grandkids (though
> focusing in low light/low apertures becomes more difficult as they age and
> move faster).  Feel free to forward to Leica if you wish Steve!

thanks, but I won’t.

s
> 
> 
> Bob Adler
> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Steve Barbour <stevebarbour at mac.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back to the original topic... the M10...
>>> There are some things that have not changed the will keep me from even
>>> wanting the M10:
>>> 1.  Exposures longer than 2s REQUIRE double the time to process a dark
>>> frame for noise reduction... You can't disable it...
>>> 2.  There is still that quirky shutter lag using the live view (with LCD
>>> back or Visoflex EVF) (albeit shorter per Leica representations, but
>> stated
>>> as "slight" in the manual. With electronic first shutter curtain a
>>> "standard" these days, the fact that this has not been implemented is
>>> really disappointing.
>>>    a. Use of live view causes double the shutter usage (shutter count
>>> doubles)
>>>    b. This causes the camera to expose at what I call the indecisive
>>> moment... Shutter lag probably sets a new Guinness record of second
>> place:
>>> the the M240 has greater lag.
>>> 3.   The amount of shutter time available in B mode is ISO dependent. If
>>> like the M240, native ISO shutter open time is 120seconds. Double the
>>> native ISO and the shutter open time is reduced by 1/2 (60s), and on down
>>> until there is an 8second shutter open time in B mode.
>>> 
>>> So these are key items that, though perhaps improved slightly with the
>> M10
>>> over the M240, that continue to limit the options available to
>>> photographers.
>>> 
>>> Waiting for the M11 I guess…
>> 
>> 
>> please forward this to Leica.
>> 
>> 
>> steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Bob
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Adler
>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>> *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:15 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you have no ticket then there is no chance of winning the lottery,
>>>> buying a single ticket gives you a greater chance....
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> Forgive me, Aram, for I am no mathematician, but I cannot understand how
>>>> your friend can justify "very slightly". If I buy a ticket, the odds
>> are 1
>>>> in 1 gazillion, which must (mathematically) be _infinitely_ better than
>>>> zero in 1 gazillion.
>>>> 
>>>> What I have misunderstood?
>>>> 
>>>> Piers
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com at leica-users.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Aram
>>>> Sent: 24 January 2017 16:02
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M10
>>>> 
>>>> You know, Gerry, as a math teacher friend of mine says, your odds of
>>>> winning the lottery increase very slightly if you actually buy a ticket.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Aram
>>>> 
>>>> Aram Langhans
>>>> (Semi) Retired Science Teacher
>>>> & Unemployed photographer
>>>> 
>>>> "The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin
>> himself
>>>> would ever have dared dream." James D. Watson
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/20/2017 10:42 PM, Gerry Walden wrote:
>>>>> My initial comment was a bit tongue in cheek, but it seems to have
>>>> started
>>>> something. In previous models since the M9 I have felt that they are
>>>> reiterations of the basic concept of a digital full-frame Leica, but I
>> feel
>>>> this one has gone a step further for some reason.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me make it clear there is no way that I will be buying one unless I
>>>> win the lottery, which is pretty unlikely as I never buy a ticket.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 01:46, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I appreciate your response.... I was ( am?) looking for a reason to
>> like
>>>> it for myself....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Everyone is a unique person, with his/her own needs, and
>>>> preferences.....
>>>>>> And My M9 IS getting old.... and at some point will need to be
>>>> replaced...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe, for me, putting out $6500 for a camera is not in the cards...
>>>> unless the M9 dies....
>>>>>> But I do like to keep abreast of what is out there, and why others
>>>> choose.....   Your inputs I find invaluable research info from someone I
>>>> respect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank - I like the fact there is no video, a larger eyepiece and much
>>>> better iso.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>>> What feature or features convinced you that THIS was the new camera
>>>> for
>>>> you?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have just watched a couple of short videos on YouTube about the
>> new
>>>> M10, and I want one. For the first time I have considered it is worth
>>>> moving
>>>> from my M9. Now all I have to do is sell my body and as my daughter put
>> it
>>>> once "as long as you sell it by weight you will be OK Dad". Children
>> can be
>>>> so rude!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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