[Leica] Problem with the M9

[Ted Grant]

Hi Mark,
In the days of "real wet darkrooms" we all did what is reasonably  called
"post processing?" A little burning in here & there. Or  bit of dodging, if
done properly, as it should be... not heavily, nor noticeable. Of course I
did all that kind of "post stuff!" Didn't we all?  :-) It was part and
parcel in making a "cool image" look lots "cooler" Better! :-)
However today? The post stuff as such, has gone beyond a little touch-up! I
have seen photos "BEFORE & AFTER" that are so changed they almost look like
two different locations!
So where does "post processing" fit in here? When it's nothing more than
"cheating" if offered as.. "the original image taken & offered as so?" 
When we were shooting for wire services and news, the image had to be as
natural as truthful as SEEN & shot!! Then along came digital and the
"Cheater Photogs" manipulated photos to nothing more than a "lying image!"
:-(
Finally when it happened a bit too much, that crap became apparent....
"LYING NEWS PHOTOS!" the manipulators were fired. As it should be with NEWS
IMAGES!" "COMMERCIAL IMAGES?" Hey fiddle them to your hearts desire!
My so called "post processing" amounts to "auto-colour" button and if it
looks a tad bit better? I LEAVE IT ALONE!
If it doesn't to my eye? It's "undo auto colour" Or contrast, or whatever
auto thing it might be? That's it and absolutely "KISS SIMPLE!" Even in the
olden wet darkroom days, my 
manipulations were very simple and gentle indeed.
Colour when printed was by a most fantastic colour processor and print
maker. A genius! Dang he saved my butt on more than a few occasions! 
My way of shooting photos right from May 27 1950 on my birthday, when my
dear  wife gave me the "ARGUS A2" 35 mm film camera! 
Has always been:
 "SHOOT THAT WHICH CAPTURES YOUR EYE AS TRUTHFULLY AS IT TURNED YOU ON!
"CLICK!)
I suppose in my previous post I overdid my descriptions of 
"Today's fiddling images beyond realities!" And I apologize to those I may
have offended.
HOWEVER? I shall never back down from "OBSERVE=WOW=CLICK" potential photo
keeper! "KISS" 
cheers,
Dr. Ted Grant  C.M. O.C. 

 
  
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From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Rabiner
Sent: January-05-17 3:22 AM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Problem with the M9

Philippe hi! always delighted to be in agreement.
To split hairs "post processing" is what?
Its processing isn't it? We're making the picture.
Its not something that's happening later is it?
Afterwards we email it or print it.  To me that's post.
"Post" to me means "after the fact" but what do I know?

I may think that because I think people think processing the pictures,
Photoshop or Lightroom work is like some extra special thing you don't
really need to do. Like in the old days when we brought our film to the drug
store and they made snap shots for us.
Who needs a darkroom I got Walgreens?



On 1/5/17 4:03 AM, "Philippe" <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> wrote:

> 46 years after I developed my first BW film, I totally concur. 

Post
> processing is a taste enhancer without which I at least, would end up with
so
> much less sapid photographs.

And I¹m happy like a painter or a cook to have
> such a palette and variety of tools available.

Amities
Philippe




> Le 5
> janv. 2017 à 09:42, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> a écrit :
> 
> Well
> Ted! I think it works like you go in the darkroom and you try to make
> the
> thing look like it looked and it comes out in the end not quite what you
>
> expected but you like it better anyway. We do the best we can.
> I don't know
> about you but some of my better pictures come from tricky
> negatives which
> were not so easy to print. You're coming out with something
> you don't quite
> expect.  But it all works at great in the end. Pretty soon I
> forget what the
> thing was really supposed to look like. Or what plan A was.
> 
> 
>
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