[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up

Douglas Barry imra at iol.ie
Thu Nov 10 13:08:56 PST 2016 

Personally, as someone who lives outside the US and yet sees imagery from 
this particular election on both Irish and British media, it was interesting 
to see Indiana documented in this way by someone who lives there. Helpful 
too, in that the images made me think, so I won a bet on the outcome thanks 
to the insights gained.

Douglas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up


>I suggested you do what you said you were going to do, since provocative 
>political pictures are a dime a dozen, what ever your leaning, and I didn’t 
>state mine. For all you know I’m a Trump supporter, in that case I would 
>say the same thing. It is hard to show the why’s or motivations  from a 
>photo, but that is what we should endeavor to do. I read some prejudice or 
>paranoia into your response as you assume I react based on my political 
>leaning. This is not a political group, it is a photographic group and I 
>feel free to state what I believe, based on the content of the photos I 
>see. And btw, I know that Indiana went strongly for Trump, so what?
>
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>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Christopher Crawford 
>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>
>> Steve’s attacking me because he thinks that I am posting these photos to
>> support Trump. I’m not. As I have said MULTIPLE times, I am documenting
>> the culture and people of Indiana. Like it or not, Indiana’s people
>> supported Trump. That’s what I documented.
>>
>> Steve’s comment that I need to take ‘good pictures’ is like someone 
>> online
>> going out of their way to criticize another poster’s spelling because 
>> they
>> didn’t have the courage or the intelligence to criticize the ideas in the
>> post.
>>
>> As I have stated, I will not be bullied by narrow minded people into
>> changing what I photograph. Don’t like my work? Don’t look at it. Its as
>> simple as that.
>>
>> -- 
>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>>
>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/16, 2:30 PM, "LUG on behalf of Douglas Barry"
>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>> imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I now see what Steve B wrote to rile Chris. I've moved it up in this
>>> email to make it easier to see. Steve, it seems a strange place to bury 
>>> a
>>> fairly inflammatory comment.
>>>
>>> What are you trying to achieve?
>>>
>>> Douglas
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
>>>> make
>>>> people think.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>> To: "LUG list" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee guys it's all over in less than 24 hours!
>>>>> "DO PLEASE TRY AND GET ALONG?" :-)
>>>>> I mean you've had near two years to vent this stuff and here we are
>>>>> voting
>>>>> day and you are at each other's throats like a couple of  wild
>>>>> roosters
>>>>> at a
>>>>> hen party! :-)
>>>>> My suggestion? Not that it means anything in your country. But it's
>>>>> going
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> "FAR MORE INTERESTING TOMORROW AFTER RESULTS COME OUT!" Actually quite
>>>>> wild
>>>>> I bet? "CLOSE the HATCHES & dive deep!"
>>>>> Be good boys until it's over, Thank you.
>>>>> Now take two aspirins and call me after 10 a.m. tomorrow. Thank you
>>>>> most
>>>>> kindly. :-)
>>>>> Now relax!
>>>>> CHRIS: you go look for signs! :-)
>>>>> SONNY: You go look for flowers in Adrian's garden! :-)
>>>>> Now don't you both feel better? :-) :-)
>>>>> Jeeeessh I hope this avoids a CIVIL WAR? :-)
>>>>> KINDEST REGARDS TO BOTH.
>>>>> Dr. Ted Grant C.M. Order of Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Christopher Crawford
>>>>> Sent: November-07-16 7:38 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Lock Both Up
>>>>> Importance: Low
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tina Manley implied earlier today (post subject: Milestone) that she
>>>>> might
>>>>> leave the country if the election doesn’t turn out as she likes. I
>>>>> didn’t
>>>>> see any of your shrill outrage over that. To be clear, I am not upset
>>>>> by
>>>>> Tina’s post; its a free country and if she wants to leave its her
>>>>> right.
>>>>> It’ll be a great loss to our nation; but its her right to live where
>>>>> she
>>>>> wishes, and her right to voice her opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said in my last reply to you, I am not going to stop what I am
>>>>> doing.
>>>>> I explained why quite clearly, and I stand by it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/16, 10:03 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
>>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>>>>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My comment was not about your art.  There are plenty places to voice
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> opinion, and the forum is one such place. Don't embarrass yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Christopher Crawford
>>>>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I¹m not going to stop voicing my opinions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is my job, I am an artist. We make people think and we 
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> people uncomfortable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> If you want to make people think, how about some good pictures that
>>>> make
>>>> people think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Those of us who work in the medium of photography
>>>>>>> document life; we¹re historians, sociologists, psychologists,
>>>>>>> anthropologists, and artists all wrapped into one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sometimes the real world is crazy, scary, dangerous, uncivilized, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cruel. We cannot put our heads in the sand and refuse to confront 
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> world; to do so allows the triumph of evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/7/16, 8:48 PM, "LUG on behalf of Sonny Carter"
>>>>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I stood up for you when the subject of your images was under fire
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, when you voice your own political opinion, I'll suggest 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> it to the forum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Christopher Crawford
>>>>>>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This sign pretty much sums up my feelings about the 2016
>>>>>>>>> Presidential
>>>>>>>>> Election. Lock Both Up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This handmade sign was posted in the middle of West State
>>>>>>>>> Boulevard
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> western edge of Fort Wayne, Indiana.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=2535
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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