[Leica] Process and scan to disc question

Thu Mar 17 02:26:43 PDT 2016

Chris

Like you, i have used Vuescan for years, but this was something different. As Richard suggests I think I was picking up the base colour (or color for you!).

Gerry

> On 17 Mar 2016, at 09:16, Christopher Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> 
> Gerry,
> 
> I¹ve used Vuescan for 13 years now. The low contrast results you are
> getting are normal, you just have to do some curves adjustments in
> Photoshop. The low-contrast scans are actually a good thing, if you¹re
> willing to do the work in PS to adjust the final tonality, because they
> capture every bit of data in the neg without clipping. Even contrasty negs
> scan well.
> 
> Check out my Vuescan tutorial. There¹s a written version and a YouTube
> video if you like videos better. Here¹s the link:
> http://crawfordphotoschool.com/digital/scanning.php
> 
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> On 3/17/16, 4:38 AM, "LUG on behalf of Gerry Walden"
> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> gerry.walden at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Richard. I had just checked and come to that conclusion. At the
>> moment I am shooting Fuji 400CN, and I am getting very poor scans through
>> Vuescan with an overall lack of contrast which looks like fogging.
>> Silverfast is doing a good job.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 08:35, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Silverfast does not scan as Raw, only Vuescan does, IIRC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you Richard for your considered and informative answer. Now I
>>>> understand. I am not sure Silverfast will scan as any raw format but I
>>>> will
>>>> carry on scanning as .tiff for now while I look at things.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 07:41, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerry, there are two aspects of B&W scanning that you need to
>>>>> consider:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) scan as negative or positive. Some people scan as "B&W neg" and
>>>>> some
>>>>> people scan as "(RGB) positive" then invert in Photoshop or the like.
>>>> Some
>>>>> people claim that certain scanning software ALWAYS clip if you scan as
>>>> B&W
>>>>> neg (I believe NikonScan is one of them) so option 2) gives more fully
>>>>> tonal result.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) Save as Raw/DNG or TIFF/JPG. Note that TIFF is "full quality" where
>>>> JPG
>>>>> is compressed, but otherwise they are the same in this discussion.
>>>>> Certainly, always save as TIFF rather than JPG as you want the highest
>>>>> quality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you save as TIFF/JPG, then usually you have the scanner software
>>>>> applying some tone curves and such, so that the image looks pretty
>>>>> good
>>>>> already, then it's minor way in LR/PSD to get to the final image. In
>>>>> this
>>>>> regard, it's rather like having a digital camera saving the images as
>>>> JPG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you save as Raw/DNG, then the scanner software will try to
>>>>> maintain as
>>>>> much information as possible, e.g. minimal tone curves and exposure
>>>>> adjustments, so that it can be processed further post-scan. The
>>>>> downside
>>>> is
>>>>> that it takes a bit more work in LR/PSD to get to the final result.
>>>>> The
>>>>> upside is that if you improve your LR/PSD skills or if better
>>>>> processing
>>>>> software are to become available, then you can go back to the original
>>>>> Raw/DNG file and redo it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***
>>>>> Personally, right now I scan as B&W neg or save in TIFF format. With
>>>> medium
>>>>> format /4x5 (I rarely shoot 35mm film any more), there is so much
>>>>> information from those scans that I do not think it's worthwhile to
>>>>> use
>>>> the
>>>>> other options.
>>>>> 
>>>>> YMMV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Gerry Walden
>>>>> <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> A number (Peter, Lluis etc) have mentioned scanning b&w as either
>>>>>> .tiff
>>>> or
>>>>>> even .dng. I cannot see any obvious advantage to this, so could
>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>> pease enlighten me. I tried a couple to .dng which was a pain in
>>>> Lightroom
>>>>>> as they came out as negatives and the sliders worked the wrong way.
>>>>>> I am
>>>>>> currently scanning as .tiff but (to be honest) don¹t really know why.
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>>>> www.gwpics.com
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>>>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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