[Leica] Carbon Printing... any experiences?

[lluisripollphotography]

Hi Meino,

Thank you very much again.

My intention was to use the 1500w with B&W inks ONLY because it is a low cost printer and I think that with 6 B&W inks it could deliver a correct quality, on this case I suppose I can not have the metamarisme problem you mention. I like too have an european supplier, cheaper and fast if the quality is satisfactory. However I consider very difficult build my own ICC profiles, I have the Spyder 4 Pro. On this case what I was considering is have the 1500w for B&W only and maybe keep my R3000 for general use (B&W and color), but my color work it is so small that I think is better go to an external service when I need a copy...

Cheers
Lluis 




> El 18 juny 2016, a les 21:27, Meino de Graaf <meino at innerside.demon.nl> va escriure:
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> Lluis
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> for color work the 1500 is ok. However for B&W it is not as good as the 9 ink pigment printers of epson or canon. The problem is metamarisme (color changes under influence of the light. A B&W print can be too green or too magenta depending on the light that is used to view the print). Lyson inks are british,and are sold by Marutt. They are an old name and are good quality. A few years ago I found farbenwork as alternative for Marutt (which was at that time a little expensive for shipping and handling). Farbenwork is a german company, which is for me (in the Netherlands) very convenient, because delivery is fast (1-2 days). Because archival properties of the inks are not the most important aspects of the inks for me, I switched to their Pigmaira range of inks that are a little cheaper. One remark, if you start using these 3rd party inks, it is the best to be able to make your own print profiles using for instance a Spyder analyser.
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> Regards Meino
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> Op 18-6-2016 om 00:23 schreef lluisripollphotography:
>> Thank you Meino de Graaf, your comment is very interesting for me, I’ve sent too an e-mail to them asking several things. I’ve not found many information about them. What are the Lyson inks? I’m considering the possibility to use it with the Epson 1500w, a cheaper printer, do you think it makes a big difference 6 inks vs 9?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
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>>> El 17 juny 2016, a les 23:30, Meino de Graaf <meino at innerside.demon.nl> va escriure:
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>>> Hi  Lluis
>>> 
>>> I went grom Inkjetmall to Marrut and ended with Farbenwork (because they had also the lyson inks).  I have no experience with their Carbon inks, although I plan to start using them in my Epson R3000. I had some mail exchangen with them in the past and my experinece with them is that they are very helpfull.
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>>> Regards Meino de Graaf
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>>> Op 17-6-2016 om 14:52 schreef lluisripollphotography:
>>>> As you know I have to decide what I do with my printer, up to the moment I was very happy with the B&W from my R3000, I have no intention to go to Canon, I have to decide if I repair, I buy a Epson P 600, I buy Epson 1500w (even is the possibility to buy 2, one for B&W and one for color for the same amount that the P600). I do very, very few color printing, in the case I can go to a external service.
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>>>> I have read that the problem with my printer, clogged, is quite usual using pigmented inks if the printer is not used frequently, Canon 100 don’t have this problem because it uses colorant inks, but the actual trends on printers, inks and papers are that all the developments are for pigmented inks. Secondly main of the systems I know have more developments for Epson than for Canon. These are my reasons.
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>>>> I’ve examined the existant systems, in my opinion I shall look for systems based in Europe, as far as I know there are two good ones:
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>>>> <http://www.taos-photographic.com>: This Company is the European distributor of Inkjet Mall (Cone Colors) The inconvenient is that they don’t have cartridges for the EPSON 1500w
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>>>> <http://www.farbenwerk.com/farbenwerk-Home-eng>
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>>>> I would appreciate if someone have some information about:
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>>>> - Farbenwerk reviews, experiences…
>>>> - Quality compared with Epson 1500w, R3000, P 600 with Epson inks and Carbon inks (Inkjet Mall or Farbenwerk)
>>>> - I see 1500w is 6 inks vs R000 or P 600 are 9 inks. How much can be the difference using only B&W inks?
>>>> - Farbenwerk says that not RIP is required. I don’t know which can be the difference if using RIP and/or QTR Driver
>>>> - I suppose that the first time you fill the printer with B&W inks you spend a certain quantity of ink cleaning and filling. How much…?
>>>> 
>>>> I have no experience on these aspects, neither in building own ICC profiles and I have no intention to do them, I don’t have enough time. I would appreciate if there are some books or sites where I can get some information about Carbon Printing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>> 
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Lluis
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