[Leica] BIG new Leica

Fri Oct 30 15:29:52 PDT 2015

Hi Mark.
Did I mention something about frame lines?
Nor did I mention I was bored with the 240: I really like it. It is missing
some things that I am starting to need both physically and photographically
such as:
1. A proper shutter release when using the EVF
2. Being able to move the magnified EVF focus point around (so that you can
see both near and far are in focus or not without moving the camera and
loosing your composition)
3. Being able to use it for star photography: Good, highISO performance
prohibits the camera for this use, which I am just beginning to enjoy and
explore.
4. Being able to turn off the dark frame exposure function: can't do star
trail photographs without being able to turn this off.

I also noticed that the EVF in the new SL cannot be moved 90deg so that you
are looking down into it (like a Hassy chimney). Too bad: I really like to
do that rather than putting my head sideways and my ear on the ground...

But this just repeats most of my first email. Just don't know where your
comment about frame lines came from...
Best,
Bob

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
wrote:

> I'm glad you're not going to replace your M240 with a new camera system
> just
> out that you've not laid your eyes nor hands on nor has anybody else, Bob!
> I'd think a Leica M240 would deserve more than that! Bored with it?
> I thought the frame lines light up?
>
>
> On 10/30/15 3:26 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I deliberated and researched quite thoroughly on whether to pre-order the
> > SL (body only) to replace my M240. Here's why I decided not to:
> >
> > 1. No in body stabilization. Sony has it, Fuji has it, Oly has it. Why
> > didn't Leica do it?? Perhaps because as said by Leica they started this
> > project 3 years ago before in body stabilization was available in most
> > mirrorless cameras and then could not redesign the camera to do it. So
> all
> > R and M lenses cannot be stabilized.
> >
> > 2. Nothing definitive is available from Leica as to evidence that corner
> > problems with wide angles on other mirrorless, full frame cameras have
> been
> > solved. All they are saying is that wide angles will be able to be
> mounted
> > on the camera, even when asked specifically about corner problems with
> some
> > of the best Leica WA's. So for me this would be a step backwards if my
> > wides did not work as well as on the M240.
> >
> > 3. High (and I mean 12,500 and above) ISO performance has not been
> > evidenced.
> >
> > 4. There is no ability to stop the camera from taking a noise reducing
> > image after long exposure shots. I really need this (and Sony and Nikon
> > allow this: perhaps others do too).
> >
> > So I will be waiting for other's results. I really don't want to pay
> $7,500
> > for a better EVF with the possibility of reduced WA performance. I will
> be
> > watching with interest as others tell us about their purchase.
> > Best,
> > Bob
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That is a somewhat frustrating first look review from them for me. I
> used
> >> to follow their reviews on many brands where they provided good features
> >> description, handling and impressions even in first looks, I think.
> Perhaps
> >> they will add more later.
> >>
> >> Their comment on the default DNG profile (and default JPEG rendering)
> >> reflects that it was not yet optimised when they tested. Adobe will
> >> doubtless address that (as they have just done in the newest raw
> processing
> >> for S (Typ 007) DNG's).
> >>
> >> Re the banding comments, when I read this is a problem at base ISO if
> you
> >> push the file by five or six EV, I feel like this has got  into the
> realm
> >> of theoretical analysis absent practical use of the camera. How many of
> us
> >> would expect no loss of quality in that circumstance?
> >> It doesn't matter about the equipment brand, surely this is hardly
> relevant
> >> in practical use? Personally I have sometimes been surprised at just how
> >> much information is in the shadows from  the M (Typ 240) and S2 for
> >> example. But if I needed to fix an underexposure by that much it would
> need
> >> to be a Pulitzer Prize candidate image for me to admit that I got the
> >> exposure that wrong in the first place.
> >>
> >> I don't think that direct camera to camera performance comparisons are
> >> necessarily sensible either when they are not even being compared with
> the
> >> same optics for example. The 'real world samples' they provide were
> >> evidently with a Summilux 35 (unknown model). Must be an M lens with
> >> adapter I guess.
> >> Maybe if the review is updated to talk about the actual camera features
> and
> >> their experience in using it with the first to be released lens It
> might be
> >> more interesting/relevant for me in any case.
> >>
> >> No-one even has a serial camera yet as far as I know yet there is no
> >> shortage of criticism it seems. Maybe the 'it's too big, Leica
> should.....'
> >>  theme is lessening at least ;-) DPreview bear some responsibility for
> >> influencing that with a misleading image too, as I recall.
> >> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com>
> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:39:35 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
> >> See
> >>
> >>
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9955093579/leica-sl-typ601-in-depth-camera-r
> >> eview/3
> >>
> >>  "[The Leica SL's] shadow performance can be significantly undermined by
> >> the hard-to-correct-for banding."
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Geoff
> >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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