[Leica] BIG new Leica

[Mark Rabiner]

I'm glad you're not going to replace your M240 with a new camera system just
out that you've not laid your eyes nor hands on nor has anybody else, Bob!
I'd think a Leica M240 would deserve more than that! Bored with it?
I thought the frame lines light up?


On 10/30/15 3:26 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I deliberated and researched quite thoroughly on whether to pre-order the
> SL (body only) to replace my M240. Here's why I decided not to:
> 
> 1. No in body stabilization. Sony has it, Fuji has it, Oly has it. Why
> didn't Leica do it?? Perhaps because as said by Leica they started this
> project 3 years ago before in body stabilization was available in most
> mirrorless cameras and then could not redesign the camera to do it. So all
> R and M lenses cannot be stabilized.
> 
> 2. Nothing definitive is available from Leica as to evidence that corner
> problems with wide angles on other mirrorless, full frame cameras have been
> solved. All they are saying is that wide angles will be able to be mounted
> on the camera, even when asked specifically about corner problems with some
> of the best Leica WA's. So for me this would be a step backwards if my
> wides did not work as well as on the M240.
> 
> 3. High (and I mean 12,500 and above) ISO performance has not been
> evidenced.
> 
> 4. There is no ability to stop the camera from taking a noise reducing
> image after long exposure shots. I really need this (and Sony and Nikon
> allow this: perhaps others do too).
> 
> So I will be waiting for other's results. I really don't want to pay $7,500
> for a better EVF with the possibility of reduced WA performance. I will be
> watching with interest as others tell us about their purchase.
> Best,
> Bob
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> That is a somewhat frustrating first look review from them for me. I used
>> to follow their reviews on many brands where they provided good features
>> description, handling and impressions even in first looks, I think. Perhaps
>> they will add more later.
>> 
>> Their comment on the default DNG profile (and default JPEG rendering)
>> reflects that it was not yet optimised when they tested. Adobe will
>> doubtless address that (as they have just done in the newest raw processing
>> for S (Typ 007) DNG's).
>> 
>> Re the banding comments, when I read this is a problem at base ISO if you
>> push the file by five or six EV, I feel like this has got  into the realm
>> of theoretical analysis absent practical use of the camera. How many of us
>> would expect no loss of quality in that circumstance?
>> It doesn't matter about the equipment brand, surely this is hardly relevant
>> in practical use? Personally I have sometimes been surprised at just how
>> much information is in the shadows from  the M (Typ 240) and S2 for
>> example. But if I needed to fix an underexposure by that much it would need
>> to be a Pulitzer Prize candidate image for me to admit that I got the
>> exposure that wrong in the first place.
>> 
>> I don't think that direct camera to camera performance comparisons are
>> necessarily sensible either when they are not even being compared with the
>> same optics for example. The 'real world samples' they provide were
>> evidently with a Summilux 35 (unknown model). Must be an M lens with
>> adapter I guess.
>> Maybe if the review is updated to talk about the actual camera features and
>> their experience in using it with the first to be released lens It might be
>> more interesting/relevant for me in any case.
>> 
>> No-one even has a serial camera yet as far as I know yet there is no
>> shortage of criticism it seems. Maybe the 'it's too big, Leica should.....'
>>  theme is lessening at least ;-) DPreview bear some responsibility for
>> influencing that with a misleading image too, as I recall.
>> --------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:39:35 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
>> See
>> 
>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9955093579/leica-sl-typ601-in-depth-camera-r
>> eview/3
>> 
>>  "[The Leica SL's] shadow performance can be significantly undermined by
>> the hard-to-correct-for banding."
>> 
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
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