[Leica] BIG new Leica

Sat Oct 24 13:52:43 PDT 2015

99% of what I shoot is hand-held.  The rest are shot with the camera
sitting on a trash-can or table or anything else that is stable.  I just
don't carry tripods around.  I used to carry mono-pods when I needed a
cane.  Now with my artificial knees, I don't need a cane so I don't usually
carry mono-pods either.  I use fast lenses, higher ISOs (fast film in the
past), and breathing techniques.  That's usually enough for a candle-lit
room in an adobe house with no windows.

Tina

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Mark.. several of us do not want to spend the money for a M240.
> Thus all the talk about the Sony A7..... and its variants.  Or why several
> of use still use M9's.
>
> And the Leica anything (M8,M9,M240, and the Mono versions) are not ISO
> speed
> demons.  They are still WAY under the competitive power curve, DSLR or not.
> I consider my M9 no good above ISO 640. YMMV
>
> I still use a tripod...   Read Puts on getting the BEST out of your glass,
> it is one of the techniques you must use.  Remember, the operative word is
> BEST.
>
> Flimsy tripods are just that, flimsy.  Most tripods are up to the job of a
> few pound camera.  Others are pure junk.  You know this stuff.
>
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
>
>
> It sounds like you are juggling a truckload of glass adding up to serious
> money which will not make up for the fact that you are using an M9 Leicas
> CCD first out full frame digital M and not a current CMOS M.
> Speed considerations (and people do use tripods) are a thing of the past in
> digital photography nowadays with a normal cruising speed of 64,000 two
> stops over 16,000 and that's just getting warmed up.
> Unless you happen to be shooting a technical anomaly like an M9.
> The plus side Leica is still in business and its finally got it right
> digitally with the current CMOS M. (240) which lets you use the  iso' s the
> rest of the serious photog world are using on their DSLR's........
>
>
> And as I said with digital speed is was more so no longer an issue but
> especially with landscape shooting where tripods are the default.
> Tripod use now is not the tripod use of days gone by.
> They are resin coated light and friendly and the heads are ball head
> variations which leave your hands on the camera its the interface between
> your camera and tripod and makes all the difference. Tripod use is much
> less
> clunky than it was before.  Its not all all clunky now. Get a nice little
> tripod case with strap to sling over your back like Robin Hood you won't
> even know its there. And wear green! And steal from the rich and give to
> the
> poor.
>
>
> On 10/24/15 3:23 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I added the SUPER ELMAR-M 1:3,4/21mm ASPH to the comparison stack, below:
> >
> > http://www.paulroark.com/Loxia-v-Leica-21-f28-SEM.tif
> >
> > No doubt the SEM is the sharpest and smallest modern 21.  I have the
> > ELMAR-M
> > 24 mm f/3.8 ASPH, which I use as my "reference" wide angle on an M9.
> > The Loxia, at f/2.8, however is faster and has a good 3/4 stop less
> > vignetting/light falloff.
> >
> > I used the Biogon C 21mm on the M9 -- for B&W.  (It is not appropriate
> > for color shooting due to bad magenta color at the edges.)  It's
> > sharp, but the vignetting was significant -- about like the SEM 21.  I
> > found heavily "red filtered" (in Photoshop) blue skies got noticeably
> > more grainy at the edges with the M9.  So, that light falloff issue is
> > a relevant factor in the calculus.
> >
> > The WATE is my only good superwide that will fit on the Sony.  More
> > speed and better wide open performance is what I'm interested in with
> > the Loxia 21.  We'll see.  If it's a turkey, it'll be returned.  It
> > will not be shipped until December.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Frank Filippone
> > <red735i at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In my use of the lenses, the 50 ASPH Lux is the best. Period.  I can
> >> see the difference.
> >> The 21 and 24 SEM are VERY close to each other.
> >> The WATE is about as good as the 21, side by side, and offers the
> >> ability to have wider if you want/need.  Great for stitched
> >> Panoramas.
> >>
> >> Then again, YMMV, and this is all on a M9 body.
> >>
> >> I do not use a 28.. too close to the 35 in angle of view for me.  So
> >> no comment on the 28's, ASPH or not.
> >> The 28 Cron was wonderful on the M8.... but that body is gone too.
> >>
> >> I had a 35 ASPH Cron and did not cotton to the lens.  I have friends
> >> who love it..
> >>
> >> The 21 and 24 ASPH Elmarits are all to big physically (BIG front
> >> elements) for travel purposes, given the choice of the SEMs.
> >> Faster, yes, but you need to make it all fit in a small camera bag....
> >>
> >> If someone is in the mood to buy a 24 ASPH Elmarit, please contact
> me....
> >>
> >> Frank Filippone
> >> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the Leica 21mm Super-Elmar-M f/ 3.4 ASPH Lens is better!
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/23/15 5:44 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The 21 and 24 SEM are similar to the 50 ASPH Lux (and the WATE!).  I
> >>> can pick out images from those lenses from others in my stable....
> >>>
> >>> It may be that the optical characteristics of the most modern lenses
> >>> are similar.... design tools?  Intentional design compromises?
> >>> Purely
> >> chance?
> >>>
> >>> Frank Filippone
> >>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org]
> >>> On Behalf Of John McMaster
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:40 PM
> >>> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
> >>>
> >>> The 21mm SEM beats the Elmarit asph in all areas IMO. I would say
> >>> that the S range is Leica's still lens showcase range ;-)
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> ?Yes, everything is a whole set of compromises.  I assume Leica and
> >>> Zeiss will both continue to make optics that also cater to those who
> >>> value
> >> compactness.
> >>> The M line is Leica's current showcase of what it can do.  It may be
> >>> that the Loxia line for the Sony is representative of what Zeiss can
> >>> do for that platform.
> >>>
> >>> Since wide angle optics are the main area of my concern regarding
> >>> the Sony line, I was curious just how much of a penalty that
> >>> platform will pay.  To show this, I made a Tiff file with a cutout of
> the Leica v.
> >>> Zeiss Loxia 21mm
> >>> f/2.8 entries into this competition shown on different layers.  The
> >>> images are adjusted to equalize size and distance from the sensor/film.
> >>> Some might find looking at the two similar optics interesting.
> >>> Download the Tiff from
> >>> http://www.paulroark.com/Loxia-v-Leica-21-f28.tif
> >>>
> >>> As to relative sharpness, all we have are MTF curves that are not
> >>> necessarily comparable.  If they are to be believed, the Zeiss wins
> >>> by a hair.  My experience is that Leica is more conservative in
> >>> these, and
> >> in
> >>> the real world Leica might well win by a hair.   The main and more
> >>> objective measure of performance that could be important is that,
> >>> consistent with the performances we see in other wide angle lenses,
> >>> the more retrofocus optic has less vignetting. Zeiss is claiming
> >>> light falloff at f/2.8 that is equal to the Leica at f/8.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>> www.PaulRoark.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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