[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: BIG new Leica - TINA

[John McMaster]

You could buy a used M(240) and Monochrom for that money!

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Rabiner

They used to cost
Price: $11,994.00
Instant Savings: $8,499.00

I've never saved $8,499.00 on anything in my life so I'd be taking a look at
it but I do recall it making a negative sensation when it came out. Was
universally reviled by one and all as rebadge.
I'd spend the $8,499.00 on M&M peanuts.


On 10/22/15 5:41 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I did not have a ton of Leica lenses, I would be very tempted by
> this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1034962-REG/hasselblad_h_1105101_
> hv_dslr_camera_with.html

Why have they reduced the price so
> much!!???

Tina

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Tina Manley
> <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Q is very light and plastic feeling.  The SL is heavy and 
> brick-like.
> More like an M.  I will just have to learn to work with the EVF which 
> others seem to love.  The reviews say it is much faster with less lag 
> than the Q which is what made me dizzy.  I don't use the EVF on the 
> M240 much.
> Only when I have the R lenses on it.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu,
> Oct 22, 2015 at 4:39 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>
>> Will it
> be much different from the Q viewfinder that you seemed to hate?
>> Or to an
> M(240) with (lower resolution) EVF?
>>
>> john
>>
>> -----Original
> Message-----
>>
>> You can use all of the Leica M and R lenses on it with
> adapters but they
>> won't be autofocus.  Supposedly the very large, bright
> viewfinder makes it
>> easier to manually focus them.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Thu,
> Oct 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
> > The Leica SL with a small lens on it would be near pocketable 
> > (jacket
>> >
> exterior pocket) unlike the Nikon. But like the M
>> >
>> > I think we need to
> not define a camera body by the stupidly huge lens
>> > someone puts on it.
> Any camera body can have a modest to compact optic
>> > on front of it instead
> of a metal munching fast zoom or a zoom with an
>> > overly wide range... And
> VR makes a lens way heavier and I think
>> bulkier.
>> >
>> > I'm saying put
> more Leicalike glass in front of these bodies and we
>> > can see how they
> compare with an M with a typical M optic on it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
> On 10/22/15 3:50 PM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
> Interesting.  He also seems to state it has better image quality
>> > >
> than
>> > the M.
>> > > Here is a quote:
>> > >
>> > > "The SL is not a cheap
> camera ­ EUR6,000+ for the body and a further
>> > > EUR4,000+ for each lens
> makes this the preserve of the very wealthy,
>> > though
>> > > in reality I
> suspect most of Leica¹s existing audience will see this
>> > > one
>> > as
>>
> > > a no-brainer. M lenses are now virtually native, as are R lenses;
>> > >
> they¹re easy to focus and image quality is better than from the M
>> > >
> cameras. It
>> > would
>> > > have been nice to see more resolution, but I
> suspect this might have
>> > eaten
>> > > uncomfortably into S system sales. I
> actually suspect this camera is
>> > > the beginning of the end of the M
> resurgence ­ a typical complaint
>> > > from M
>> > users
>> > > I know is one
> of deteriorating eyesight and difficulty in achieving
>> > focus.
>> > > We no
> longer have that problem. And for those used to paying $7,000+
>> > > for
>> >
> a
>> > > body, the SL isn¹t a stretch at all."
>> > >
>> > > He also goes on a
> bit about the size.   BIG
>> > >
>> > > Aram Langhans
>> > > (Semi) Retired
> Science Teacher
>> > > & Unemployed photographer
>> > >
>> > > ³The Human
> Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin
>> > himself
>> > >
> would ever have dared dream.²   James D. Watson
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
> -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: John McMaster
> [mailto:john at mcmaster.fr]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:58 AM
>>
> > > To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug at leica-users.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Leica]
> BIG new Leica - TINA
>> > >
>> > > It is the lenses, almost same size and
> weight as S lenses!
>> > >
>> > >
> https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5790/21615453253_1c85b372e2_c.jpg
>> > >
>> > >
> SL compared to a D810 with 24-120/4 lens....
>> > >
>> > > (from
>> > >
> http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl-6
>> > >
> 01/
>> > )
>> > >
>> > > john
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original
> Message-----
>> > >
>> > > It's really not that big of a camera, but folks are
> hung up on this
>> > > idea that a mirrorless camera has to be a tiny little
> thing.
>> > > SL size compared to a digital M:
>> > >
> https://tinyurl.com/ppbdsr8
>> > >
>> > > I look forward to seeing what you
> can do with it, Tina.
>> > >
>> > > Jay
>> > >
>> > > On 10/21/2015 3:17 PM,
> Tina Manley wrote:
>> > >> Has anybody posted a photo of it compared to the
> size of the M9 or
>> > >> the M240?  The Sony and Fuji mirrorless cameras are
> actually too
>> > >> small and too light for me.
>> > >>
>> > >> Tina
>> >
> >