[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: If not Lightroom, ...

Wed Oct 14 07:37:45 PDT 2015

As LightRoom was designed to be a browser which as an afterthought had some
picture "editing" as in processing: cropping etc capabilities put in as an
afterthought and then developed with later versions.

Photoshop itself was first designed as a program to make it so you could
change a Tiff file to a Jpeg or other file formats back and forth.
When you do that the image would sometimes darken or lighten.
So they had to put controls in there to tweak that.
Hence Photoshop. It had another name at first.

On 10/14/15 3:55 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I have had Photoshop since V3 Mark, so not as long as you.
> OTOH about 75% of what it is designed for I have never used, since it is not
> really only appropriate for conventional photography but mainly creating
> artwork sometimes using the last vestiges of a photograph as a root. I am
> neither artistic enough, nor talented enough at those Photoshop specifics, to
> do any of this.
> 
> What I like about Lightroom is that it stripped out of Photoshop those
> features it had which were very specific to presenting photographs in a normal
> way.
> 
> When I bought Photoshop originally I had to buy it with a whole suite of other
> programmes which I did not use at all.
> 
> Now I can buy a photographer-centric version of Photoshop - Lightroom, without
> paying for all the useless, to me, functionality of the full programme. I was
> a bit like not having to buy a whole suite of programmes just to get
> Photoshop.
> I do not consider it to be inexpensive in comparison to Photoshop since it is
> effectively just buying the part of Photoshop which I need and paying nowt for
> the part that I don’t ever use.
> 
> On top of that its file organisation is better than Bridge for photographs in
> my opinion.
> 
> So IME the full version of Photoshop is a waste of money for a photographer
> whose intention is to produce excellent quality prints from their exposures,
> and catalogue them rather than take the exposure as a basis for a bit of
> artwork.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Frank
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 17:22, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I know a lot of people who never stopped using Photoshop.
>> Not Adobe Photoshop LightRoom 6. But Adobe Photoshop Photoshop that has
>> dominated quality digital photography before digital photography even
>> existed in 1991 which is when I started using it..
>> There are new people buying it everyday as well.
>> It's like your supposed to be embarrassed to be a liberal. I'm ok with both
>> Photoshop use AND being a lefty.
>> 
>> I'm sure Lightroom has the market share and some good top people are using
>> it. It cost $142.99 cents which is what a cheap here today gone tomorrow
>> third part filter cost for the real Photoshop. I'm sure it comes free with
>> some scanners and cameras.
>> If you don't want to pay 5 times more for the real Photoshop and make the
>> commitment to using that's great. But lets not pretend Photoshop doesn't
>> exist shall we? The real one. Adobe Bridge browser still is downloadable as
>> part of the CC Adobe system and I've been using it for close to a decade and
>> never heard of Mechanic.
>> 
>> Capture One comes free when you get a Digital camera back from Phase One,
>> Mamiya and Leaf the software is free and called Capture One 8 DB its what
>> people use when they use digital backs or who want their cameras tethered to
>> huge screen so art directors and clients can direct their shoots and they
>> know they're getting paid because whatever happens is not going to be blamed
>> on them. Its not their image.  Now you can tether up your Canon or Nikon to
>> it.
>> Its still thought of my anybody I ever met as a medium format digital
>> solution though I know one guy who switched from Photoshop to  Capture One
>> something  a few years ago and I've not seen a pic he's done nor him since.
>> I think the program might be tethering him wirelessly. He's off somewhere
>> harvesting silicon for the big take over.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/12/15 11:50 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Adobe is having issues with ONE version of Lightroom. The sky is
>>> not
>> falling.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Gerry Walden
>>> <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In my opinion LR is the only way to go if
>>> you want a fully integrated
>>> piece of well developed software. It has a few
>>> detractors, mostly those who
>>> object to paying monthly for it, but for every
>>> detractor there are hundreds
>>> of very satisfied users.
>>> 
>>> For serious users
>>> there are, I am afraid, very few alternatives. Probably
>>> the one that comes
>>> closest is the combination of Photo Mechanic and Capture
>>> One Pro. Both are
>>> extremely good pieces of software but C1Pro is a bit
>>> quirky and can take
>>> some time to get used to. Once you are used to it and
>>> used to Photo Mechanic
>>> the combination of the two can be very good but they
>>> are not as integrated
>>> as LR is. I am sorry to say that the market has been
>>> pretty much sewn up by
>>> LR, like it or lump it.
>>> 
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 03:38, Spencer
>>> Cheng <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Apple has abandoned Aperture. Adobe
>>> seems to have major issues with LR
>>> according to many of you.
>>>> 
>>>> I am in
>>> the midst of deciding what to use instead of Aperture. Apple¹s
>>> Photos is too
>>> minimal for me as a image management package.
>>>> 
>>>> What software should I
>>> be considering instead?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Spencer
>>>> 
>>>> 
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