[Leica] New Monochrome results

Mon May 25 09:44:46 PDT 2015

Thats why I do not own one.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 10:56:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results

Gene, doesn't the lag drive you nuts?

Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On May 24, 2015, at 8:47 PM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> That is the same way Live View works with my D4, although the LV Focus is far better than your description of the Leica LV.  but when taking a photo the shutter first closes then opens again to make the photo.  This is not the same as how it works with EVF cameras, such as the Sony A7 & Nikon 1,  as I understand it.
> 
> gene
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:52:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the mechanical
> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles
> the shutter actuations
> 
> Here's my working theories:
> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the
> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter kick).
> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
> 
> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 and
> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth
> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of focusing
> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really helps
> because of its tiny lag.
> 
> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my
> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes
> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I
> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger system,
> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen jpeg.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> Here is a Leica-rookie question.  I have seen numerous posts about users
>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and
>> front focus issues.  Is this what live view is intended to avoid?  I know
>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
>> in-camera software.  If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica long
>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a focus
>> error though I succeeded at times).  Thx for some enlightenment.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
>>> 
>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. Completely
>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape images
>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check focus
>>> for landscape work.
>>> 
>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 sec
>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after focusing.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R  lenses which it may
>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
>>> Best,
>>> Bob-The -Grump
>>> 
>>> Bob Adler
>>> Robert Adler Photography
>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>> 
>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
>>>> 
>>>> a note off the iPad, George
>>>> 
>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$...
>>>>>> Better
>>>>>> value with the MM-I
>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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