[Leica] New Monochrome results

Sun May 24 22:13:51 PDT 2015

Than you Sue! I was thrilled with it too (and still am)

Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On May 24, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Susan Ryan <skalte at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, 
> 
> Now that is a beautiful image. 
> 
> Sue
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 24, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't logically argue with you Jayanand. But I have a Fuji and switching
>> between the Fuji and the M is really difficult for me. With the M I point
>> and shoot, basically. After using Ms for over 20 years, I don't think about
>> what I'm doing: I just look and point.
>> With the Fuji, it's just difficult! And since I have all this expensive
>> stuff, I need to use it. I love using it!! Though I miss some shots and
>> some may not be perfectly focused, when I hit it I love it:
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bedtime+Story-2015-04-25.jpg.html
>> 
>> So I can't answer your question other then I just adore shooting my Leica!
>> So it goes... :-)
>> 
>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob,
>>> Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just
>>> get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that
>>> purpose!
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>> 
>>>> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the
>>> mechanical
>>>> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
>>>> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
>>>> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles
>>>> the shutter actuations
>>>> 
>>>> Here's my working theories:
>>>> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
>>>> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the
>>>> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter
>>> kick).
>>>> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
>>>> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
>>>> 
>>>> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
>>>> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1
>>> and
>>>> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth
>>>> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
>>>> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of
>>> focusing
>>>> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really
>>> helps
>>>> because of its tiny lag.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my
>>>> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes
>>>> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I
>>>> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger
>>> system,
>>>> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen
>>> jpeg.
>>>> 
>>>> Does that make sense?
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is a Leica-rookie question.  I have seen numerous posts about
>>> users
>>>>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and
>>>>> front focus issues.  Is this what live view is intended to avoid?  I
>>> know
>>>>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
>>>>> in-camera software.  If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
>>>>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica
>>> long
>>>>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a
>>>> focus
>>>>> error though I succeeded at times).  Thx for some enlightenment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240.
>>> Completely
>>>>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape
>>> images
>>>>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check
>>>> focus
>>>>>> for landscape work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2
>>>> sec
>>>>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after
>>>> focusing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R  lenses which it may
>>>>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Bob-The -Grump
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob Adler
>>>>>> Robert Adler Photography
>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
>>>>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
>>>>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> a note off the iPad, George
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <
>>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
>>>>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$...
>>>>>>>>> Better
>>>>>>>>> value with the MM-I
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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