[Leica] New Monochrome results

Sun May 24 20:46:28 PDT 2015

I use my Nikon DSLRs with primes for taking photographs of my
granddaughter, for the most part, but I find that the Fuji X100s works
extremely well, too.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> I didn't have a lot of luck using point and shoots for grandkids, I'm up
> to five of them, so I can speak with experience.
>
> Interestingly, the automation works against you, as well as the low ISO
> performance.
>
> I had pretty good luck with the Pentax Kr, especially with fast primes.
>
> My M9 is also a good performer, but again the low ISO means slow shutter
> speeds, and stuff with kids often is not in well lighted areas.
>
> The Sony A7s with articulated screen, and higher ISO and either good AF or
> ability to use my fast  Leica primes is great, especially with constant
> live view.  No lag...
>
> I've been tossing around trading the M9 for an M, but the drawbacks of the
> current live view arrangement are not making me want the trade.
>
> I enjoy both the M9 and the Sony; each are great in their place, but I no
> longer see the M as a do-all camera, especially with grandkids.
>
> from my iPad
>
> Sonny Carter
>
> > On May 24, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just
> > get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that
> > purpose!
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> >> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ken,
> >>
> >> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the
> mechanical
> >> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter
> >> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires
> >> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it
> doubles
> >> the shutter actuations
> >>
> >> Here's my working theories:
> >> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the
> >> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being
> the
> >> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter
> kick).
> >> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its
> >> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on
> >>
> >> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight
> >> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1
> and
> >> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth
> >> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving
> >> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of
> focusing
> >> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really
> helps
> >> because of its tiny lag.
> >>
> >> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my
> >> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and
> sometimes
> >> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I
> >> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger
> system,
> >> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen
> jpeg.
> >>
> >> Does that make sense?
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bob,
> >>>
> >>> Here is a Leica-rookie question.  I have seen numerous posts about
> users
> >>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and
> >>> front focus issues.  Is this what live view is intended to avoid?  I
> know
> >>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with
> >>> in-camera software.  If there is not an issue with matching bodies and
> >>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica
> long
> >>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a
> >> focus
> >>> error though I succeeded at times).  Thx for some enlightenment.
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240.
> Completely
> >>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape
> images
> >>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check
> >> focus
> >>>> for landscape work.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2
> >> sec
> >>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after
> >> focusing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R  lenses which it may
> >>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Bob-The -Grump
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Adler
> >>>> Robert Adler Photography
> >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser <
> >>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;"
> >>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a note off the iPad, George
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <
> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The significant upgrade is live view.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doug Herr
> >>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
> >>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM
> >>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group <
> >>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$...
> >>>>>>> Better
> >>>>>>> value with the MM-I
> >>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/
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> >>
> >> --
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> >> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >>
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