[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever"..

Fri May 15 18:27:09 PDT 2015

Rabs, calm down, lie down, and read a relaxing book. I recommend one about
the wisdom of sending emails without checking a few things first - correct
spelling, adequate punctuation, and the exclusion of gratuitous insults.

Douglas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:28 AM
Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever"..

> Me I'm a photographer guy and I'm pretty smart when it comes to
> photographer
> stuff.
> But  you computer guys are pretty dumb when it comes to computer stuff.
> Again and again and again the workflo in working with digital files I'm
> sure
> day one first day of class in computer school is you don't put all your
> pix
> or files of any kind in a hard disk with the idea that is going to be
> there
> forever. You keep migrating often a good time is when you amass more
> information you got to a bigger drive but if your starting off with some
> huge thing it would have to be on a set timely bases. This is a thing that
> a
> lot of people know not just ones who know how to code.
> Basic computer backup. Its readily available information which I bet is
> pre
> high school curriculum now.
>
>
>
> On 5/15/15 6:25 PM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
>
>> Dang! I was going to stay out of this. :-)
>
> The digital media industry don’t
>> give a hoot about long term image viability. The CEOs care mostly about
>> quarter-to-quarter financial results and the size of their bonus. It’s
>> the
>> photographer’s problem and rather too few photographers even understand
>> there
>> is problem.
>
> Digital cameras are all disposable in the sense that 99.9999% of
>> them are unrepairable after 3 years because the parts are no longer
>> available.
>> Why should digital images be any better from the industry’s
>> perspective?
>
> Spencer
>
>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:42, Mark Rabiner
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think to agree I think that there is too
>> much people time and money being
>> invested into the making of digital still
>> and video files for them to be a
>> here today gone tomorrow kind of thing.
>>
>> It makes the whole industry look bad if people can't access their
>> pictures
>>
>> any more or if these files are otherwise messed up just because they are
>>
>> old... Like an old Ektachrome slide fading and fungussing. in the corner
>> of
>>
>> your basement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/15 10:37 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj"
>> <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been following this thread with
>> interest, as this is a problem that
>> all
>>> of us have, and my primary
>> takeaway is that all archival systems seem
>> to be
>>> deeply flawed in the
>> long term, so we might as well use the one that
>> is
>>> convenient to us and
>> not worry about it. As Keynes said, in the long
>> term we
>>> are all dead.
>> Your pictures, however, are damned either
>>> way....:-)
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Spencer Cheng
>>> <spencer at aotera.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are going way off topic here so this is my
>>> last comment. I
>> did not say
>>> to store your digital media using
>>> microfiche.
>>>
>>> I am
>> aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone
>>> from NIST)
>>>
>> working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized
>>> fashion.
>>>
>>>
>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require
>>> regular
>> active
>>> copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to
>>> protect
>> again
>>> deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence.
>>>
>>> If
>>>
>> you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay ephemeral
>>>
>>>
>> despite of what you believe.
>>>
>>> Mark, do as you wish but 1’s magically
>>>
>> becomes 0’s in digital media
>>> whether you believe it’s going to happen or
>>>
>> not. Good Luck.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 16:17,
>> Mark
>>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From the Library of
>> Congress
>>> (USA)
>>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or
>> digitization
>>> for
>>>> reformatting institutional collections?....
>>>>
>>>> "
>> That said, the
>>> end of microfilming is near, despite it's relatively low
>>>>
>> cost and the
>>> several hundred year projected lifetime of preservation
>>>
>> film.
>>>> The
>>> National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants
>> for
>>>>
>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to
>> maintain> >
>>> and service."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescopy
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method
>>>>
>>>
>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for
>> 100+ years (or
>>>
>>> acid-free
>>>>> paper for documents). The Canadian census
>> was stored that way.
>>> ³was²
>>> because I
>>>>> am not sure we have a real
>> census any more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Digital storage is very
>>>>> ephemeral. I doubt
>> if most digital storage will
>>> last more than 10
>>> years. Those
>>>>> 1¹s
>> randomly change to 0¹s far too
>>> frequently. I don¹t think archivist
>>>
>> like
>>>>> digital media very much.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>> Rabiner
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>>>>
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