[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever"..

Thu May 14 23:28:29 PDT 2015

Frank, the HD that crashed (as did mine last month) was in use every day. My backup disk is in use only when I am actually writing to it (and when I retrieved the backed-up images onto the repaired HD). Most of the time it is just sitting there, not plugged into anything. You cannot compare the two sitations.

Refreshing the backups more than once a year might be good for my local Media Markt but it would be a waste of time and money for me.

Cheers,
Nathan

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> On 15 May 2015, at 07:41, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I guess you cannot be convinced with technical facts.
> 
> Try this out.... How many HDD crash without warning?  Richard Man's crashed
> last week.  You think HIS files are intact any more on that disk?
> 
> Even if you do not believe us about magnetic bits going wonky, do backups
> anyway.  And refresh them at least once a year... or more often.  You may do
> it for the wrong reason, but at least you are doing it......
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark Rabiner
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:32 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever"..
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> 
> I have been Binging and Googling "photography old digital files corrupted"
> and you'd  think one person in the world in the last 15 years of digital
> photography must have expensed it especially since we're being told not that
> digital media only lasts ten years tops. I'm coming up with Jack on this the
> only thing I seem to find is when peoples memory cards give out on them
> there is recovering software to bring some of those images back.
> Nothing not one thing on pictures on a hard disk no longer openable or
> looking wonky.
> I'm back to feeling much more at ease in the state of my digital body of
> work.
> 
> 
> On 5/15/15 1:21 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think the fact that while most of us have switched to digital our 
>> body of work is now (roughly since the year 2000) is in danger is very 
>> on topic as I think its big news where can I sell my digital bodies 
>> and re buy back my film ones?!?
>> 
>> I'd like to hear a roll count on the LUG of people whose old digital 
>> files have given up on them or have gotten all wonky. Other side known 
>> as digital fading.
>> I'm being told by you that my digital files are deteriorating I JUST 
>> CAN SEE IT.!!
>> 
>> I don't think when you back up digitally to do it redundantly is the 
>> end of the world. I used to back up my whole hard disk with floppies. 
>> A stack of them many inches thick. And I had several sets of them in 
>> case one of them was bad and for other reasons. It was an automatic
> process but doable.
>> Now its just copying one hard disk to another sometimes a slightly bigger
> one.
>> Can be done in ones sleep.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/14/15 7:16 PM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> We are going way off topic here so this is my last comment. I did not 
>>> say to store your digital media using microfiche.
>>> 
>>> I am aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone from 
>>> NIST) working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized fashion.
>>> 
>>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require regular 
>>> active copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to 
>>> protect again deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence.
>>> 
>>> If you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay 
>>> ephemeral despite of what you believe.
>>> 
>>> Mark, do as you wish but 1’s magically becomes 0’s in digital media 
>>> whether you believe it’s going to happen or not. Good Luck.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Spencer
>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From the Library of Congress  (USA)
>>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or digitization 
>>>> for reformatting institutional collections?....
>>>> 
>>>> " That said, the end of microfilming is near, despite it's 
>>>> relatively low cost and the several hundred year projected lifetime of
> preservation film.
>>>> The National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants for 
>>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to 
>>>> maintain and service."
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescop
>>>> y
>>>> 
>>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method 
>>>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for 100+ years 
>>>>> (or acid-free paper for documents). The Canadian census was stored 
>>>>> that way. łwas˛ because >>> I am not sure we have a real census any 
>>>>> more.
>>>> 
>>>> Digital storage is very
>>>>> ephemeral. I doubt if most digital storage will last more than 10
> years.
>>>>> Those
>>>>> 1ąs randomly change to 0ąs far too frequently. I donąt think 
>>>>> archivist like digital media very much.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Spencer
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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