[Leica] Shoot less... ? IT'S ALL DUMB ASS CRAP!

Mon Mar 23 09:38:23 PDT 2015

> On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:
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> I hate like hell to argue with the great Dr. Ted, but I must. I contributed to this thread of what is admittedly mental masturbation to point out something that I could have explained better, how the way I shot film made my digital photography ( I would say my photography in general) better. It's a discipline that may not work for everyone, but I can't see the advantage of spray and pray. If being more "economical" makes me consider what I'm shooting, rather than just holding the button and hoping for the best, then I'm the winner.
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> But in retrospect, what I have said may be strongly similar to what was written by Dr. Ted.

god, I agree with Ted (no surprise) and Bill…

seems that the conclusion is that when it’s worth shooting, ie momentous, you rarely get more than one, or a very, very few shots…

over and out!

Steve

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> -----Original Message----- From: Ted Grant
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:38 AM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ? IT'S ALL DUMB ASS CRAP!
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> I   can't believe I'm reading such  a pile of inane garbage tripe about
> using film more or less? Bigger size? WHATEVER? LESS IS BETTER OR WHATEVER
> STUPID TOPIC TWIST YOU WISH TO PUT ON IT!
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> Sounds and reads like a bunch of little un-skilled morons in some of the
> posts!
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> Let me offer you a "ONE FRAME ONLY "CLICK!"
> That's it! it's Canadian runner Ben Johnson just as he crossed the finish
> line in the "Men's 100 meter Olympic Championship race! SEOUL. KOREA 1988'
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> One frame, one click, one human being re-action with an R8! "NO NOT ONE
> FRAME USING A MOTOR DRIVE. JUST ME, MY GUT AND SHUTTER TRIPPING FINGER!
> Webpage TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM  And there's a few other "one frame photographs in
> the same portfolio you might like to see pictures without numbers even
> considered... before? during? Or after! All "see! Click!"
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> WE'VE HAD SOME THE GREATEST DUMB-ASS SO CALLED CONVERSATIONS ON THE lug in
> my years?
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> HOWEVER? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS ONE MUST BE LEADING THE PACK IN DUMB ASS
> TOPIC!
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> It's Monday! Let's all "stop this crap right now!" And begin a new week with
> common sense! THANK YOU.
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> CHEERS,
> Dr. Ted
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> FRANK DERNIE
> Sent: March-23-15 3:48 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ?
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> Yes Richard that is surely the point?
> If one needs to take gazillions of frames to get the few pictures you want
> that is one thing, and fair enough.
> To have the perverse (to me) idea that this is equivalent to shooting
> massively fewer shots in 120, but the same area of film, or even more barmy,
> a handful of shots of 10x8 is equivalent, lacks even a microgram of logic.
> Surely, if you only need a dozen shots, you only need a dozen shots?
> Shooting 432 because that is the same area of film is bizarre.
> Now I do see that few photographers use medium or large format for sport,
> and taking gazillions of sport pictures gives a higher chance of getting a
> good one. But still, if you only need a dozen shots there is no need to take
> another 420 just to expose the same area of film.
> I am being a touch tongue in cheek here but really, Henning seems to be the
> only one to have been logical on this subject.
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 10:17
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shoot less... ?
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>> You are missing the point: shooting more / working the scene --> gives a
>> better chance of getting the worthwhile results.
>> 
>> Why is there even an argument? Sure, no one should try to take meaningless,
>> loser shots, but even with the best techniques, best eyes, etc., shooting
>> more frames, especially under most circumstances, would mean potentially a
>> higher hit rate.
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>> I am beginning to think that LUGGERS love to argue - for argument sake. No,
>> we do not. Yes, you do, no, do not, do. DO NOT. Certainly do.
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>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> I have never heard of photographers considering their work by the acreage
>>> of film they use rather than the number of worthwhile results they get.
> Is
>>> this common?
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>>> > On 21 Mar, 2015, at 20:14, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > A dozen sheets of 8x10 equal 144 shots with a Rolleiflex or Hasselblad.
>>> > 432 shots with in 35mm. Also par for the course. A very common
>>> occurrence.
>>> >
>>> > I shot 10 rolls a pro pack of Delta 100 of one model once in a few
> hours.
>>> > So I had 360 chances to get it right.
>>> > That was the most concentrated I ever got.
>>> > My Balcars afterwards were quite warm. But they cooled down in time.
>>> > I needed a cold shower for sure.
>>> 
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