[Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website

[John McMaster]

Some countries (e.g. NZ) just living together for two years gives those rights. Doesn't bother me, never married but in same relationship for longer than most marriages ;-)

john

-----Original Message-----

Gene,

You’re still trying to argue based on emotion, not fact. You still have not told me any good reason why I should invite the State into my personal relationships. That’s what marriage is. Giving the state control over something private and personal. Contrary to popular belief, the USA does NOT have religious marriage. All marriages here are civil marriages, even if you marry in a church. This is because the marriage is not legally valid unless the state first issues you a license to marry, and if you do decide to divorce, the state, not God or his ministers in your church/synagogue/mosque/etc, must approve it. That approval is costly, and serves no purpose but to enrich lawyers and a corrupt legal system.

I’m not saying you cannot have a lifelong relationship if you have the good fortune to find a good woman and you have the moral fiber to keep yourself faithful as well. I’m happy for you, and Tina, and Ted, and all the other older people here who have that. You still have not shown me any reason why the state needed to be involved in your relationship.

--
Chris Crawford
Fine Art Photography
Fort Wayne, Indiana
260-437-8990

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On 7/3/15, 12:45 PM,
"lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of grduprey at mchsi.com"
<lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:

>Chris,
>
>Well my wife does share in it.  We also do not bury our heads in the 
>sand, we do everything we can to improve our world, and have and still 
>do teach our children & grand children to do the same.
>
>I am truly sorry that you have such a negative view of life and the 
>world.  I hope that someday you have a better view.
>
>Gene
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org>
>Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:08:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website
>
>Gene, you’re attitude doesn’t mean a thing if your wife doesn’t share 
>it, and I have seen a lot of people’s (both men and women) attitudes 
>suddenly change. No thanks. My cats won’t leave me and steal everything 
>I own on a whim. People today simply have no concern for anyone but 
>themselves or anything higher in importance than appearances and status.
>
>As a teacher, I can tell you that our future is FUCKED. I try so hard 
>to show the kids that there’s something deeper, greater, warmer, more 
>beautiful than the world of mindless entertainment and idiotic 
>interpersonal drama that they immerse themselves in. A few of them get 
>it, they’re the rare ones, the smart ones with souls and hearts, and 
>the other kids bully them mercilessly. God forbid anyone think for themselves.
>
>The older people who should be helping fix it? They’ve got their fool 
>heads buried in the sand, desperately trying to avoid seeing that their 
>world died, because they killed it, and they know they have a debt to 
>pay if the young ever free themselves and begin to think again.
>
>I have to care about our society’s future. Not just for my students, 
>but for my 18 year old son, who just graduated from high school. He has 
>a long life ahead of him, longer than I’ll likely have given the state 
>of my health. Want him to have a better life than I had, but I can’t 
>say it’ll happen. I’m fearful and angry at what he’ll face.
>
>--
>Chris Crawford
>Fine Art Photography
>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>260-437-8990
>
>http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>
>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>Become a fan on Facebook
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>
>
>On 7/3/15, 12:01 AM,
>"lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
>grduprey at mchsi.com"
><lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
>grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>Chris,
>>Wedding vows don't mean anything if you go into the marriage with the 
>>attitude that you can get out of it if you want to.  If you enter into 
>>marriage with the attitude of total commitment, then Divorce is Not An 
>>Option, then it will last, because you are committed to make it work.
>>Your statistics mean nothing to those of us who have this attitude.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>>To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:12:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website
>>
>>Ted,
>>
>>You¹re living in the past. Wedding vows don¹t mean a damned thing. In 
>>the USA, 50% of marriages end in divorce within the first 5 years. 
>>Because the couple were stupid enough to invite the government into 
>>their relationship, they have to pay lawyers and court fees for 
>>Œpermission¹ to split up.
>>
>>We have Œno fault¹ divorce now, the courts NEVER deny a couple 
>>permission to divorce anymore, so I see no reason to involve them. In 
>>the past, you could only divorce for a good reason, and those reasons 
>>were codified in the law. Domestic violence, adultery, alcohol or drug 
>>addiction, and abandonment were pretty much the only valid reasons 
>>judges would grant a divorce. Not anymore; one of the people just has 
>>to be Œbored¹ or wants someone else, etc.
>>
>>--
>>Chris Crawford
>>Fine Art Photography
>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>260-437-8990
>>
>>http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>
>>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>Become a fan on Facebook
>>
>>
>>
>>On 7/2/15, 1:00 PM, "LUG on behalf of Ted Grant"
>><lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
>>tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Well then, all that shows is how easy it is to get knocked-up and not 
>>>have the responsibilities of rearing the child or children! That may 
>>>not be the case. But it sure leaves the "Barn door open" for easy 
>>>departure!
>>>
>>>I would much rather be married with the responsibilities that go 
>>>along with that "union!" Than have no proper vows that let these 
>>>un-married folks walk out the door anytime they feel like it! If that 
>>>might be a statistic or fact??
>>>
>>>Dr. ted Grant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
>>>Behalf Of Jayanand Govindaraj
>>>Sent: July-02-15 9:44 AM
>>>To: Leica Users Group
>>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website
>>>
>>>The fact remains that for the first time in the USA, in 2013 (or 
>>>maybe 2014), if memory serves me right, more children were born to 
>>>unmarried parents than to married ones. All of you are clearly in the 
>>>minority today....
>>>Cheers
>>>Jayanand
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:16 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 100 % agree.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 1:42:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website
>>>>
>>>> Well I figure I might throw this in! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Irene and I were married 15 October 1949 and were  married 64 years 
>>>>before  she passed away leaving the biggest hole in my 86 life 
>>>>years! :-(
>>>>
>>>> Sure we had our "chit chats!!! x53xx+++ bang bang etc! etc.
>>>>
>>>> Example!  Show me a couple who've never had a yapping session at 
>>>>each  other during 64 years? We joked about "GUNS NOT BEING LEGAL IN 
>>>>CANADA!"
>>>And
>>>> a good thing !  :-) As she offered, "I'd most certainly given her 
>>>>reason
>>>to
>>>> use one on me a few times!" :-) :-) :-) Then she'd give me a big hug!
>>>>
>>>> Don't need a lawyer if you have real love in your heart's for each 
>>>> other!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted  :-)
>>>>