[Leica] OT: What would you do?

Thu Jan 8 18:09:43 PST 2015

Ah, that's a really great idea, Ken. 

Hospices that need some wall art would probably be very appreciative – and their clientele even more so. 

What better thing than to provide some cheer to those most in need?

Wilbur

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On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Ken Carney wrote:

> Here I can rent a small climate-controlled warehouse space for $100/month (probably $10,000/month in CA) and bury stuff until I really really have to deal with it.  Money well spent at times.  Do you have any galleries where you can consign the work?  Regarding the charitable part, tax-exempt hospitals (IRC §501(c)(3)) would probably really like to have landscape work.  It would be for a good purpose, exposure for your work and a windfall for the hospital. Maybe a few pieces each year donated to avoid the devaluation issue?
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2015 5:01 PM, Robert Adler wrote:
>> Thanks Tina and all. Still struggling, but all the varied answers are
>> helpful.
>> I'm not really trying to make any money, but don't want to loose any either
>> or devalue the work by either giving it away (when others have paid) or
>> defacing it before taking to the dump.
>> 
>> Most the frames are floating frames made for each image: different sizes,
>> etc.  I'm still considering storage somewhere... somewhere...
>> Thanks again. Other suggestions welcome of course.
>> Best,
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Most of the work that I have donated to charities has been as photographic
>>> work for them to use in fund-raising.  The way I get around the tax
>>> donation is to charge them my normal rates for the work and then turn
>>> around and donate that much back to them.  None of the charities I've
>>> worked with has had a problem with this.  I don't know if you could work
>>> something out like that for print donations, but it might be worth
>>> investigating.
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's correct.  Under §170(e), IRC, the fair market value must be
>>> reduced
>>>> by any ordinary income that would be recognized on a sale. In other
>>> words,
>>>> for all practical purposes donations of self-created art are limited to
>>>> cost of producing it.  It gets worse.  If the item is not self-created,
>>> and
>>>> is not donated "for the use of" the charity, then the deduction is
>>> reduced
>>>> by any gain that would be recognized.  So if you donate the Picasso to a
>>>> charity for the purpose of the charity selling it, your deduction is
>>>> limited to your cost.  And if the appraisal rules kick in, they apply to
>>>> the total of similar items donated, not each individual item.
>>>> 
>>>> It gets worse.  Suppose you are a really gifted photographer and you
>>>> create a photo worth, oh I don't know, say $6.5 million and hang on to
>>> it.
>>>> You have probably created a death tax liability of 40% of that.  Enough
>>> for
>>>> one day.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/8/2015 1:18 PM, Wilbur Norman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In regards to Tina's comment:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I believe the deductions she is referring to are for items NOT CREATED
>>> BY
>>>>> THE PERSON who is making the donation. So, if you donate a Picasso, you
>>> get
>>>>> a Fair Market Value. For items created by the artist donating, its
>>> another
>>>>> ball of wax.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And, I believe the ceiling for NOT getting an appraisal is $5000 as
>>>>> amended in the Pension Law some years ago (seems odd but thise folks in
>>> DC
>>>>> add non-related items to laws all the time.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilbur
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *************
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Susan Ryan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Can you take a tax deduction for a charitable donation? If so, how do
>>>>>> you choose a dollar value of the photos donated?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sue
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> That's probably the best solution - donate to charity auctions.  I've
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> that quite a bit and it's always appreciated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Doug Herr <
>>> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Donate to charity auctions?
>>>>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>>>>> Orangevale, Sacramento County
>>>>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jan 8, 2015 10:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] OT: What would you do?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have a dilema. I'm moving back into my old home and clearing out
>>> 25+
>>>>>>>>> years of "stuff", Clean sweep.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I know some of you have been through this recently
>>>>>>>>> (George/Tina/etc.). I
>>>>>>>>> have a ton of framed prints that haven't sold at galleries/coffee
>>>>>>>>> shops,
>>>>>>>>> but that doesn't mean they aren't lovely (IMO).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> They are custom framed and mounted. Archival. The works. I don't
>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> give them away (I think that devalues all art), and I don't want to
>>>>>>>>> pack
>>>>>>>>> and ship them to folks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Please PLEASE suggestions? The dump just seems wrong..
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler
>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>>>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-
>>>>>>> 4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
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>>> 
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