[Leica] ***SPAM*** Re: The decisive moment..... NOT!! TED & al.

[Mark Rabiner]

The ORIGINAL NON MICRO 4/3's were competing against APS-C bodies the same
size but with sensors twice the length across.  They were unsuccessful.
The current MICRO 4/3's cameras are successful because they are competing
against point and shoots with sensors many times smaller but with bodies
about the same size.

The 4/3's system standard lasted from 2003 to 2008 when the micro 4/3's
format replaced it. Five years.
The reason being even the dumb public being sold on megapixel count knew a
rip off when they peeked behind the lens of their 4/3's camera which was
bigger than a Nikon D100 or a Canon EOS D60  and say a was teeny  looking
sensor like a point and shoot sensor in a DSLR which explained why they
needed to shoot at iso 400 instead of iso 4000.

http://www.dvhardware.net/article28900.html

I'm not against small format cameras I'm against small format film or
sensors in non small format bodies.
 And I'm against the just plain odd notion that a small format camera
produces and image as well as a bigger format camera does or that the
difference is minor.
Glass is minor. Format is major.
No optical wizardry is going to make up for a crazy small format size.
Its the first thing you think of in camera buying and using not the last.



On 1/7/15 6:06 PM, "Philippe Amard" <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> wrote:

> Alice have had (and still have some in working order) pana and oly 4/3
> lenses  on 2006-2007-2008-2009 bodies - the common focal range zooms
> 14ish-50ish we shared proved the leica approved design was better
> (barrel, vignetting and sharpness) - now, I also had a WONDERFUL 7-14
> zoom and a mighty 50-200 both from Oly and I miss their optical
> qualities to this day (nikon but more recently fuji).
> 
> DK about micro lenses, at all.
> 
> Amities
> Philippe
> 
> Le 7 janv. 15 à 23:56, Dennis Kushner a écrit :
> 
>> I never fell for the crop factor. Considered it a marketing hype.
>> It was just a size comparison of the sensor compared to 35mm film
>> size. No matter which camera body I used, or what lens attached,
>> just composed & snapped. You know, KISS.
>> 
>> On the technical side, Olympus 4/3rds lenses were designed with
>> the exit rays parallel to the sensor.  Bought the Olympus E-330 in
>> May 2006 when released. The E-330. I think,was also the first body
>> with self cleaning sensor. Still working today. Always wondered if
>> the matched digital lenses picked up on exit rays design. No need
>> for micro lenses on outer edges of sensor. Olympus stopped advertising
>> this soon after they first released. Think the Panasonic & Leica had
>> conventional lenses with 4/3rds mount. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:04 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The crop factor never existed in the film era, it was just cheaper
>>> digital
>>> cameras using legacy 35mm film lenses but that has now changed with
>>> dedicated lenses for the sensors.
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> BON JOUR philippe mon ami,
>>> Never did/do I! As I still don't understand what the hell all the
>>> "CROP
>>> fuss is all about?"
>>> 
>>> I thought it might be a far more interesting conversation in that,
>>> "How
>>> did this "High School Dropout" manage to be recognized in the photo
>>> world
>>> at this point in his life not knowing anything about "THE INFAMOUS
>>> CROP
>>> FACTOR?"
>>> 
>>> It obviously being such an interesting FORMITABLE tidbit to so many
>>> of my
>>> learned colleagues? :-)
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> ted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: January-07-15 12:09 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The decisive moment..... NOT!! TED & al.
>>> 
>>> Caption competition submission: " Me never worry, about the crop
>>> factor
>>> ..." ;-)
>>> 
>>> Love the guy Philippe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 7 janv. 15 à 20:03, Ted Grant a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Sonny suggested:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The decisive moment..... NOT!!
>>>> 
>>>> try this crop....  ;-)
>>>> http://www.sonc.com/taco-cu.jpg
>>>> =====================================
>>>> Hi Sonny, :-)
>>>> Great expression alright with that crop!:-) A neat fun photo
>>>> expression.
>>>> 
>>>> I think we now move it to the caption? I believe it will evoke some
>>>> beauties? One word or two? Or a paragrapgh?
>>>> 
>>>> SO OK  CREW LET'S GIVE IT YOUR BEST WITH HUMOUR!!!!!!!! -) DON'T BE
>>>> MEAN AND PUT THE OLD LAD DOWN! :-) AWAY YOU GO NOW! Think humour and
>>>> be nice! We dont want to hurt the "old lads' feelings!
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted :-)
>>>> 
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