[Leica] Zeiss Optics was Re: The myths of crop factor

[Mark Rabiner]

Which guys are these? Why not just show us the URL?!?
I was just reading how the 40mm Hassy CFE FLE is still a very wanted lens
for digital a bunch of guys who really sounded like they knew what they were
talking about. 

By the way a digital back I'd get would be on the conservative side not a
huge one. And it would still be for the most part overkill.


On 1/6/15 4:26 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:

> Changing the subject line so we don't invite the wrath of Ted :-)
> 
> Mark,
> Those digital MFDB shooters are SUPER picky. They talk about how that $6000
> Rodenstock "Rody" is not quite as good as that $7000 Schneider or vice
> verse. Of course they are talking about 80 megapixel back!!! As I haven't
> shot MFDB extensively, I am a bit surprised that apparently there are a lot
> of 23mm-38mm users on that format, which is 1.1x to 1.3x of 645, and they
> stitch and focus stack etc.Their consensus seems to be that the Hassy Zeiss
> optics are great for film, and even for data back of may be up to 30-40
> megapixels, but beyond that, you need "digital" designed lens.
> 
> It is properly a massive case of sour grape in my part, as even if I have
> the money, I can't see spending $20K just for a back, but in any case, all
> these talk about lugging a laptop with extra chargers and doing live view
> to focus or use focus stacking etc. does not seem like a big win comparing
> to lugging a 4x5 with 3 lens, a meter, a loupe, a dark cloth and 12
> holders. That's a 15 pounds pack, probably less if I choose different lens
> or just take 6 holders.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> Richard I think terms like "fingerprint" and "Character" in lenses is
>> reserved for the revealed faults of lenses of simple coatings or no
>> coatings
>> from decades gone by like the 1960s and before.
>> I can see that modern made of digital optics with smaller image circles and
>> costing many thousands of dollars might out spec made for Hassy Zeiss made
>> in the 1990's. But that doesn't reduce them to relics. The specs on these
>> Zeiss optics are still super high way higher than what we normally see in
>> all but modern cutting edge Leica M optics.
>> I sure hope its ok for us to be talking about this!
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/6/15 1:20 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That's the one I mentioned. It lists at $15K but people have gotten it as
>>> low as $12K-$13K through grey market.
>>> 
>>> It's the same Sony CMOS sensor used in all the latest MF cameras and
>> backs,
>>> Leica excepted. So it goes to the inexpensive Pentax 645Z for $8000 up to
>>> the $$$ Phase One at $30000+ (is that enough zeroes?) So the Hassy price
>> is
>>> not too bad in that sense.
>>> 
>>> Supposedly the latest Schneider and Rodenstock lens are way better than
>> old
>>> non-digital lens, but I suspect the old classic Hasselblad Zeiss lens can
>>> make it up with their "characters."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Someone I think Hasselblad/Fuji is marketing a not super high priced new
>>>> CMOS back which works with classic Hassy 500c bodies or an ELM such as I
>>>> have. Its enough to make me try to get a job in the post office.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A CMOS back makes your Hassy not just a studio and tripod camera but a
>>>> digital version of the Hassy film camera like a 35mm DSLR Is to an SLR.
>> In
>>>> other words you can use it on the street or indoors or at dusk hand
>> held.
>>>> A medium format camera whose iso tops off at 200 would be a lot more
>>>> constricting and limiting than you'd think. There's also a limit on
>> longer
>>>> exposures I think. Personally I'm ok with tripod use but it would be
>> nice
>>>> to
>>>> do with my Hassys what I used to do with them and and what I do now with
>>>> 35mm format DSLR's. Almost.
>>>> I used a lot of 220 iso 800 film in my Hassy's. Color neg.
>> 




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