[Leica] Highly unintelligent Crop Factor Overview

Mon Jan 5 06:05:30 PST 2015

I think shooting medium format film still makes sense for super quality
work. The next film  is shoot will be with my Rolleiflex 2.8 F twin lens
which I know is going to work. If the selenium meter doesn't work I have a
hand held. An 80mm 2.8 Planar is a lens I can live with. A scan from a 6x6cm
neg does not have to be high end to rival captures from some very expensive
digital cameras I should think.

On 1/5/15 8:59 AM, "Christopher Williams" <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:

> Trying to decide which format to shoot a group of poppycocks this morning.
> 

If I was hip I would shoot film.

Chris
> Williams
www.zoeicaimages.net
504-231-6261

----- Reply message -----
From:
> "Douglas Barry" <imra at iol.ie>
To: "Leica Users Group"
> <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: [Leica] Highly Intelligent Crop Factor
> Overview
Date: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 8:31 AM

As I've been busy with house moving,
> house clearance, christmas and things 
of that sort, I haven't looked at the
> list. Did this morning and you're busy 
people!!!

Ye gods, the amount of time
> and keystrokes that have gone into this thread 
alone is amazing.

I'd suggest
> it's time that people got lives and took some proper photos and 
forget the
> poppycock. Who wants to be the Cock of Poppies pounding preaching
> 
punctuationless prattling prose pretentiously into an uncaring ether?

Take
> pictures.

Douglas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner"
> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent:
> Monday, January 05, 2015 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Highly Intelligent Crop
> Factor Overview

The bottom line crux of the crop factor issue is
> money.
Cropped cameras cost way less than full frame cameras.
Cropped cameras
> cost  a grand $ more or less.
The kind of money SLR's cost in the 90'w when we
> were trading them back and
forth first on Shutterbug then on eBay. The
> represented close to zero
commitment on the part of  "photo enthusiast". And
> they could produce Pro
level quality because the format was the same and the
> glass was not all that
terrible.
Now were' in the digital era and a pro level
> cameras have upped the anti.
They're two or two and a half grand now not one
> or less.
People don't want to pay that.
And that sums up the issue right
> there.
They claim cropped cameras with dials on the top of the with flowers
> and
babies and mountains are "just as good".
It's lame people. Lame.
Cough up
> the extra cash and shoot with a real camera.
I promise you you can trade it on
> eBay a month later when you get bored with
it for another one.

On 1/4/15
> 6:45 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Whenever I see topics like
> this I think about my days as an audiophile.
> We would try, for example,
> incredibly expensive speaker cables to see if
> the sound "improved".  All the
> while these masterpieces were pouring out
> of the speakers, largely
> unheard...
>
> Ken
>
> On 1/4/2015 5:28 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>> thank you
> dear poet Philippe....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ted,, dear Uncle Ted :-)
>>>
>>> we
> don't want no more wars
>>> we don't want no more Chernobyls
>>> we don't want
> no more Israel crushing Arabic states or people
>>>
>>> and this, thanks to
> guys just like you who took risks so that we'd know.
>>>
>>> I guess we now
> just want to shoot photos as we can, with the gear we
>>> have
>>> presumably,
> or are dreaming of probably too.
>>>
>>> Oh yes young lad, what you've done
> wrong.
>>>
>>> Well, your mistake may have been , ...,
>>>
>>> buying an M8
> crop camera?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Nope, definitely not !
>>>
>>> It wonderfully
> serves its purposes, whatever the crop factor may be :-)
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Amities aka fond regards
>>>
>>> Philippe, a kid at any age but who knows he
> wouldn't want another Ronald
>>> BTW
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 4 janv. 15
> à 17:58, Ted Grant a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Good morning CREW,
>>>> I haven't paid
> any attention to these posts about "crop factor" only
>>>> because
>>>> it was
> never in my photon vocabulary for 65 plus years from start to
>>>> now
>>>>
> near finished!
>>>>
>>>> So I thought,"Well these guys know all about this
> stuff. "MAYBE I CAN
>>>> LEARN
>>>> SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE A PHOTO CLUE
> ABOUT?" So I've been reading them?
>>>> I
>>>> still don't have a CLUE WHAT
> THE HELL IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MAGIC
>>>> MOMENT
>>>> CAPTURED @ 1/1000 of a
> sec?" Or the runner winning the 100 meter
>>>> Olympic
>>>> Gold medal
> Race?
>>>>
>>>> I have 5 cameras hanging about shoulders and neck all
> different size
>>>> lenses
>>>> for the immediate moment required? "SEE SHOOT
> MERELY BY GRABBING PROPER
>>>> CAMERA BY INSTINCT...... "CLICK!" Image
> captured move on to next
>>>> exciting
>>>> moment without an eye blink about
> what lens?????? WHY?
>>>>
>>>> ONCE AGAIN! It's the content and grabbing the
> camera with the right
>>>> lens is
>>>> all that matters! "DON'T THINK OR IT'S
> OVER!"
>>>>
>>>> It appears again that this kind of " CROP FACTOR" stuff must
> really
>>>> mean
>>>> something major to the "ROCK & FERN FOLKS?"  Real-life
> shooters???
>>>> "NADA!"
>>>> Besides if you don't know anything about it? It
> "ain't goin' to hurt
>>>> you!"
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cause in Two Wars, a
> helicopter crash at 50 below zero, very bad
>>>> landings
>>>> in
>>>> ski
> equipped Otter aircraft. When taking pictures of President Ronald
>>>> Reagan.
> Oh yeah President Kennedy, Her Majesty Queen of England, And
>>>> one of
>>>>
> the most beautiful photos of Jacquie Kennedy ever?????
>>>>
>>>> "This "CROP
> FACTOR GOBBELDY-GOOK" STUFF NEVER MATTERED? Or I don't
>>>> think
>>>>
> so?
>>>> Because it was never in a mind thought ! Hell I didn't even know
> it
>>>> existed?
>>>>
>>>> So in plain understandable English language would,
> please "one person?"
>>>> Not
>>>> with 33 e-mails (thank you)  explain to me
> what I've done wrong for 65
>>>> years
>>>> and possibly I can correct the
> errors of my photographic ways? Thank
>>>> you
>>>> very much.
>>>>
>>>> Any
> other "ERRORS OF MY WAYS?????????" You are free to use your
>>>>
> imaginations
>>>> on that one.
>>>> HOWEVER? NOBODY HAS THE ANSWERS TO FIX
> THOSE!  :-) :-) I suppose I
>>>> might
>>>> say
>>>> "You really don't want to
> know?"  Mischievous devil wouldn't you say?
>>>> ;-)
>>>> :-)
>>>> Thank you
> most kindly.
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted
> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

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