[Leica] Highly Intelligent Crop Factor Overview

Sun Jan 4 18:04:55 PST 2015

The bottom line crux of the crop factor issue is money.
Cropped cameras cost way less than full frame cameras.
Cropped cameras cost  a grand $ more or less.
The kind of money SLR's cost in the 90'w when we were trading them back and
forth first on Shutterbug then on eBay. The represented close to zero
commitment on the part of  "photo enthusiast". And they could produce Pro
level quality because the format was the same and the glass was not all that
terrible.
Now were' in the digital era and a pro level cameras have upped the anti.
They're two or two and a half grand now not one or less.
People don't want to pay that.
And that sums up the issue right there.
They claim cropped cameras with dials on the top of the with flowers and
babies and mountains are "just as good".
It's lame people. Lame.
Cough up the extra cash and shoot with a real camera.
I promise you you can trade it on eBay a month later when you get bored with
it for another one.

On 1/4/15 6:45 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Whenever I see topics like this I think about my days as an audiophile.
> We would try, for example, incredibly expensive speaker cables to see if
> the sound "improved".  All the while these masterpieces were pouring out
> of the speakers, largely unheard...
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 1/4/2015 5:28 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>> thank you dear poet Philippe....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Ted,, dear Uncle Ted :-)
>>> 
>>> we don't want no more wars
>>> we don't want no more Chernobyls
>>> we don't want no more Israel crushing Arabic states or people
>>> 
>>> and this, thanks to guys just like you who took risks so that we'd know.
>>> 
>>> I guess we now just want to shoot photos as we can, with the gear we have
>>> presumably, or are dreaming of probably too.
>>> 
>>> Oh yes young lad, what you've done wrong.
>>> 
>>> Well, your mistake may have been , ...,
>>> 
>>> buying an M8 crop camera?
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> Nope, definitely not !
>>> 
>>> It wonderfully serves its purposes, whatever the crop factor may be :-) :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amities aka fond regards
>>> 
>>> Philippe, a kid at any age but who knows he wouldn't want another Ronald BTW
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 4 janv. 15 à 17:58, Ted Grant a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> Good morning CREW,
>>>> I haven't paid any attention to these posts about "crop factor" only
>>>> because
>>>> it was never in my photon vocabulary for 65 plus years from start to now
>>>> near finished!
>>>> 
>>>> So I thought,"Well these guys know all about this stuff. "MAYBE I CAN LEARN
>>>> SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE A PHOTO CLUE ABOUT?" So I've been reading them? I
>>>> still don't have a CLUE WHAT THE HELL IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MAGIC MOMENT
>>>> CAPTURED @ 1/1000 of a sec?" Or the runner winning the 100 meter Olympic
>>>> Gold medal Race?
>>>> 
>>>> I have 5 cameras hanging about shoulders and neck all different size lenses
>>>> for the immediate moment required? "SEE SHOOT MERELY BY GRABBING PROPER
>>>> CAMERA BY INSTINCT...... "CLICK!" Image captured move on to next exciting
>>>> moment without an eye blink about what lens?????? WHY?
>>>> 
>>>> ONCE AGAIN! It's the content and grabbing the camera with the right lens is
>>>> all that matters! "DON'T THINK OR IT'S OVER!"
>>>> 
>>>> It appears again that this kind of " CROP FACTOR" stuff must really mean
>>>> something major to the "ROCK & FERN FOLKS?"  Real-life shooters???  "NADA!"
>>>> Besides if you don't know anything about it? It "ain't goin' to hurt you!"
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Cause in Two Wars, a helicopter crash at 50 below zero, very bad landings
>>>> in
>>>> ski equipped Otter aircraft. When taking pictures of President Ronald
>>>> Reagan. Oh yeah President Kennedy, Her Majesty Queen of England, And one of
>>>> the most beautiful photos of Jacquie Kennedy ever?????
>>>> 
>>>> "This "CROP FACTOR GOBBELDY-GOOK" STUFF NEVER MATTERED? Or I don't think
>>>> so?
>>>> Because it was never in a mind thought ! Hell I didn't even know it
>>>> existed?
>>>> 
>>>> So in plain understandable English language would, please "one person?" Not
>>>> with 33 e-mails (thank you)  explain to me what I've done wrong for 65
>>>> years
>>>> and possibly I can correct the errors of my photographic ways? Thank you
>>>> very much.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other "ERRORS OF MY WAYS?????????" You are free to use your
>>>> imaginations
>>>> on that one.
>>>> HOWEVER? NOBODY HAS THE ANSWERS TO FIX THOSE!  :-) :-) I suppose I might
>>>> say
>>>> "You really don't want to know?"  Mischievous devil wouldn't you say?
>>>> ;-)
>>>> :-)
>>>> Thank you most kindly.
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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