[Leica] Film Developing

Wed Feb 25 22:27:19 PST 2015

I think in those days I was comparing Fuji Velvia (original 32ASA stuff) with NPS, not overall thickness but which layers the colours were on...

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Man

for 4x5 sheet film, Provia (E-6) is much thicker than Portra (C41)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:

> I do not know about modern emulsions, in the 1980/90s C41 film was 
> physically thicker (particularly sheet film) and hence not as sharp as 
> E6 film
>
> john
> ________________________________________
> From:  Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>
> For colors, I have switched from 100% E-6 to 80% color negs / 20% E-6.
> Occasionally it is still a struggle to get the right color balance, 
> but that's getting rarer and rarer. The dynamic range of the C41 is 
> phenomenal, I suspect close to the B&W films.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I see on Amazon, it is dated 6/14 and refrigerated.
> >
> >
> >
> > from my iPad
> >
> > Sonny Carter
> >
> > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > They have left over's.  Hopeful refrigerated by the attitude over 
> > > there
> > on
> > > film is negative.  Its very begrudging. I love the place otherwise.
> > Unless
> > > someone is making bootleg rolls in the basement.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 2/25/15 10:36 PM, "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That may be, but B&H lists it in stock.
> > >>
> > >> from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> Sonny Carter
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Mark Rabiner 
> > >>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_discontinued_photographic_f
> > >>> ilms List of discontinued photographic films
> > >>>
> > >>> This the first I'd heard of no more plus x. my basic black and 
> > >>> white
> > medium
> > >>> format studio film. In 220 or 70mm. Or 120.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 5 Kodak Films
> > >>> 5.1 Kodak Verichrome Safety Film
> > >>> 5.2 Kodak Verichrome Pan
> > >>> 5.3 Kodak Super-XX
> > >>> 5.4 Kodak Technical Pan
> > >>>
> > >>> 5.5 Kodak Professional BW400CN
> > >>>
> > >>> 5.6 Kodak Professional TRI-X 320
> > >>> 5.7 Kodachrome
> > >>> 5.8 Ektachrome E200
> > >>> 5.9 Plus X 125
> > >>> 5.10 Panatomic X
> > >>> 5.11 ELITE Chrome Extra Color 100
> > >>> 5.12 ELITE Chrome 100
> > >>> 5.13 E100G
> > >>> 5.14 E100VS
> > >>> 5.15 E100GX
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 2/25/15 10:03 PM, "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kodak BW CN is still available.  You can buy it from B&H, or Amazon.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> from my iPad
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sonny Carter
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Mark Rabiner 
> > >>>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kodak stopped making their chromogenic black and white film 
> > >>>>> (what
> > this is
> > >>>>> called) a few years ago but Ilford still makes XP2 which I've 
> > >>>>> used
> > this
> > >>>>> decade to shoot film. It's embarrassingly good.  Its made of  
> > >>>>> dye
> > instead
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> silver but how would you know? You can be all into darkroom
> > chemistry and
> > >>>>> developing and be lucky to approach it with regular black and 
> > >>>>> white
> > films
> > >>>>> rated at 400. It seems to have the grain and sharpness of 100
> films.
> > >>>>> As far as archivalness goes regular black and white film seems 
> > >>>>> to
> > last
> > >>>>> forever with a bit of care and luck but color neg always had a 
> > >>>>> bad
> > rep.
> > >>>>> The reason was when you brought it back into the darkroom 
> > >>>>> again to
> > make
> > >>>>> another print from a neg you'd printed before you count often 
> > >>>>> not
> > match the
> > >>>>> preceding print. The various color layers faded not at the 
> > >>>>> same
> rate
> > so
> > >>>>> you'd get color crossover. And there was no way to make a real 
> > >>>>> good
> > print.
> > >>>>> This did not take years to take place but months and even 
> > >>>>> weeks and
> > some
> > >>>>> color custom printers have told me days but I didn't see it 
> > >>>>> with my
> > own
> > >>>>> eyes.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> XP2 only has one layer so if it fades a few percentage points 
> > >>>>> you
> > can just
> > >>>>> add some contrast and probably match a print you'd made with 
> > >>>>> it was
> > fresh.
> > >>>>> All my Xp2 I've shot for decades still looks good and I'd 
> > >>>>> expect
> > would
> > >>>>> print
> > >>>>> perfectly. Certainly scan perfectly.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 2/25/15 8:11 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I can second that.  Ilford and Kodak make b&w films for C41
> > processing
> > >>>>>> (WalMart, Walgreen etc.), and in my experience they scan 
> > >>>>>> better
> than
> > >>>>>> conventional negatives.  A downside is that they are
> shorter-lived,
> > but
> > >>>>>> in theory at least they are forever once scanned.  Or, absent
> > scanning,
> > >>>>>> as a long-time client of mine once said, at my age I don't 
> > >>>>>> buy
> green
> > >>>>>> bananas.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ken
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 2/25/2015 5:08 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Have you checked Walgreen's?  Most of them still run C41, 
> > >>>>>>> and you
> > show
> > >>>>>>> three
> > >>>>>>> stores in town.  Check the one on Houston hwy, since it is 
> > >>>>>>> close
> > to UH.
> > >>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>> don't love their scans (at least at mine) but they do a good 
> > >>>>>>> job
> of
> > >>>>>>> processing, and I do lots of small prints up to 8x10 there.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> from my iPad
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sonny Carter
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Bill Clough <
> > billclough042541 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> USA
> > >>>>>>>> TEXAS
> > >>>>>>>> VICTORIA
> > >>>>>>>> 25 February 2015
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi there--
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Never occurred to me--until now--to look through the Leica 
> > >>>>>>>> M's viewfinder after cataract surgery. To my surprise, I 
> > >>>>>>>> now can
> > frame and
> > >>>>>>>> focus again.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I have source for film but even the local drug stores no 
> > >>>>>>>> longer
> > are
> > >>>>>>>> processing film.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I still have the kinder man tanks but would like to avoid 
> > >>>>>>>> all
> > that.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm open to any suggestions about where 35mm film still is
> > processed
> > >>>>>>>> professionally.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Reply here are offline--
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks--
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --Bill
> > >>>>>>>> 