[Leica] Film Developing

Mark Rabiner mark at rabinergroup.com
Wed Feb 25 19:58:12 PST 2015 

I when I shoot film I shoot color neg 800 films. Fuji or Kodak whatever
they've got. Most the R&D was focused in the past 20 years on color neg
film. Other types of film got the dregs. Black and white. Chrome. Very
little market share.
The 800 films of the current era performed like the 200 films of the 60's
and 70's. They are truly a dream come true.
I like all the color information in the scan so in the end its not that
different from a regular digital capture. You can filter on the fly when
making a conversion to black and white so each shot gets tweaked to
perfection.
So I do think the best way to shoot black and white is with color film.
Movie people feel this way too but the other reason is they cant get good
B&W processing any more.
Schindler's list was shot with color neg.


On 2/25/15 10:39 PM, "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Plus x is not available , but BWCN 400 is
> 
> from my iPad
> 
> Sonny Carter
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That may be, but B&H lists it in stock.
>> 
>> from my iPad
>> 
>> Sonny Carter
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_discontinued_photographic_films
>>> List of discontinued photographic films
>>> 
>>> This the first I'd heard of no more plus x. my basic black and white medium
>>> format studio film. In 220 or 70mm. Or 120.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 5 Kodak Films
>>> 5.1 Kodak Verichrome Safety Film
>>> 5.2 Kodak Verichrome Pan
>>> 5.3 Kodak Super-XX
>>> 5.4 Kodak Technical Pan
>>> 
>>> 5.5 Kodak Professional BW400CN
>>> 
>>> 5.6 Kodak Professional TRI-X 320
>>> 5.7 Kodachrome
>>> 5.8 Ektachrome E200
>>> 5.9 Plus X 125
>>> 5.10 Panatomic X
>>> 5.11 ELITE Chrome Extra Color 100
>>> 5.12 ELITE Chrome 100
>>> 5.13 E100G
>>> 5.14 E100VS
>>> 5.15 E100GX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/25/15 10:03 PM, "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Kodak BW CN is still available.  You can buy it from B&H, or Amazon.
>>>> 
>>>> from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kodak stopped making their chromogenic black and white film (what this is
>>>>> called) a few years ago but Ilford still makes XP2 which I've used this
>>>>> decade to shoot film. It's embarrassingly good.  Its made of  dye instead
>>>>> of
>>>>> silver but how would you know? You can be all into darkroom chemistry and
>>>>> developing and be lucky to approach it with regular black and white films
>>>>> rated at 400. It seems to have the grain and sharpness of 100 films.
>>>>> As far as archivalness goes regular black and white film seems to last
>>>>> forever with a bit of care and luck but color neg always had a bad rep.
>>>>> The reason was when you brought it back into the darkroom again to make
>>>>> another print from a neg you'd printed before you count often not match
>>>>> the
>>>>> preceding print. The various color layers faded not at the same rate so
>>>>> you'd get color crossover. And there was no way to make a real good print.
>>>>> This did not take years to take place but months and even weeks and some
>>>>> color custom printers have told me days but I didn't see it with my own
>>>>> eyes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> XP2 only has one layer so if it fades a few percentage points you can just
>>>>> add some contrast and probably match a print you'd made with it was fresh.
>>>>> All my Xp2 I've shot for decades still looks good and I'd expect would
>>>>> print
>>>>> perfectly. Certainly scan perfectly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/25/15 8:11 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can second that.  Ilford and Kodak make b&w films for C41 processing
>>>>>> (WalMart, Walgreen etc.), and in my experience they scan better than
>>>>>> conventional negatives.  A downside is that they are shorter-lived, but
>>>>>> in theory at least they are forever once scanned.  Or, absent scanning,
>>>>>> as a long-time client of mine once said, at my age I don't buy green
>>>>>> bananas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/25/2015 5:08 PM, Sonny Carter wrote:
>>>>>>> Have you checked Walgreen's?  Most of them still run C41, and you show
>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>> stores in town.  Check the one on Houston hwy, since it is close to UH.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't love their scans (at least at mine) but they do a good job of
>>>>>>> processing, and I do lots of small prints up to 8x10 there.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sonny Carter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Bill Clough <billclough042541 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>>> TEXAS
>>>>>>>> VICTORIA
>>>>>>>> 25 February 2015
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi there--
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Never occurred to me--until now--to look through the Leica M's
>>>>>>>> viewfinder after cataract surgery. To my surprise, I now can frame and
>>>>>>>> focus again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have source for film but even the local drug stores no longer are
>>>>>>>> processing film.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I still have the kinder man tanks but would like to avoid all that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm open to any suggestions about where 35mm film still is processed
>>>>>>>> professionally.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Reply here are offline--
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --Bill
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
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