[Leica] Leica is now selling pre-brassed cameras so every couch potato can look like a badass journalist

[George Lottermoser]

I understand your point Peter.
And I sort of agree with it;
yet these designer and/or limited edition Leicas are nothing new;
and kind of neat in their own crazy ways.

And in all seriousness I love a fine patina whether produced by raku, acids, worms, rubbed surfaces, the list is endless. I spent an entire semester in a sculpture class where we did nothing but study surface treatments for woods, stones, bronze and other metals. Endless colors built up and rubbed off… leaving incredible depth in low spots and gorgeous hand rubbed high areas… exactly what some crafts person at Leica is doing… hopefully thoughtfully with some knowledge about how the tool is held and handled by professionals. Does it make it a silly fake? Or an art object? One can ask the same of hand made lamps, range hoods, fire place tools, cars, motor cycles, chairs, tables, or utterly useless sculpture which has no purpose other than to express 3 dimensional beauty.

a note off the iPad, George

On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> wrote:

> George,
> 
> I didn't mean that the M-P itself is a "very silly" camera, I meant the concept,
> the gimmick whatever you wish to call it. When you compare a job like this with
> some LUGgers cameras and the stories both cameras and LUGgers can tell, there is
> simply no contest.
> 
> And, Yes I'd like a cheaper M too ;-)
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 24/02/2015 21:16, George Lottermoser wrote:
>> An M-P certainly is not a "very silly" camera.
>> 
>> The "pre-brassing" isn't silly UNLESS no one buys the things.
>> If they all sell… to whom ever… for what ever reason and/or price…
>> well than it all becomes quite "un-silly."
>> 
>> I'd choose to spend money in a different manner…
>> though I can't afford to collect stuff…
>> except when fellow artists and crafts folk agree to barter…
>> 
>> My metal working, wood working, and ceramicist friends and clients do work very hard on their hand rubbed, sometimes "distressed" surfaces, patinas, glazes and finishes. And they charge according to those hard won "looks."
>> 
>> To each their own.
>> 
>> I'd like a cheaper M… just unfinished brass… no paint… no rubbing off the paint… just give me the cheaper price for not having to "finish" the damn thing at all. My work with the tool will supply the "finish."
>> 
>> ;~)
>> 
>> a note off the iPad, George
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, it's a faked-up modern Leica that uses electronics rather than film. They
>>> could at least have produced lenses with old-style numbering etc...oh well!
>>> 
>>> No, it's not the end of the world as we know it, Kyle. It's just a very silly
>>> camera by a company that often seems to try too hard...and this is an example.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> PS I like Kravitz though, glad to know he uses Leicas too.
>>> 
>>>> On 24/02/2015 16:06, kyle cassidy on the lug wrote:
>>>> Even though it’s just out of the box "it appears as if it had been in constant use for decades and would have countless stories to tell."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure which is a bigger blight on humanity, this, or the great Pacific garbage gyre killing all sea life between California and Japan.
>>>> 
>>>> Everybody, join me in a chorus of “It’s the end of the world as we know it”.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://en.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/LEICA-M-P-CORRESPONDENT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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