[Leica] LUG & Blurb question

Tmanley tmanley at gmail.com
Sat Nov 29 17:34:34 PST 2014 

I hope not. :-(  I would hope that the appreciation would trump the aggravation. I've never done the LUG book but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has usually been true.  The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out to be worth it. 





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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> wrote:
> 
> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you were
> indeed in '06 and '07.
> 
> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further interest
> in producing the yearbook.  I was sick of your garbage, and similar
> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s).
> 
> Prattle on!  You have every right to do so.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
> 
> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica
> cameras. All taken the same year they were published.
> 
> 
>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR
>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening!
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Dr.ted
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman
>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>> 
>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you
>> should be a part of the yearbook.
>> As in as a participant.
>> 
>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>> You didn't submit a thing.
>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>> You didn't submit a thing.
>> Same for 2011.  I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my
>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images.
>> 
>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem?
>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions,
>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries.  I noted that the people
>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the
>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never
> contributors.
>> 
>> So put up or shut up.  There's still about a half-month to submit your
>> images.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>> 
>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not
>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit
>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for
>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are
>> getting the same words and pix as pixels.
>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble
>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as
>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF
> button"
>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets
>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that.
>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be
>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that.
>> If they do let them rot in their own hells.
>> People want to  see their book on their iPad's  and iPhones.
>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down.
>> They want to keep staring at them.
>> Let them.
>> 
>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is
>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know?
>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than
>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x.  ... To 1000x.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited
>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with
>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS
>>> devices, not just iPads.
>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the
>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download,
>>> one
>> device.
>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which
>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book.
>>> 
>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales
>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same
>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that
>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy
>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order.
>>> 
>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with
>>> us of course, except to be in them all.
>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and
>>> then publish it.
>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always
>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of
>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight!
>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim
>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all.
>>> 
>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will
>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to
>>> your
>> charity.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed
>>>> e-book version of this years book.
>>>> 
>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed
>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option?
>>>> 
>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a
>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds.
>>>> 
>>>> Any ideas, Jim?
>>>> 
>>>> Jay
>>>> 
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