[Leica] EVF cameras and especially non native lenses.....

[Steve Barbour]

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes; your correct. That's why I never play poker!! ;-)


especially for money, as it should be given your metier.

Steve




> 
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or as game theory suggests, there are three things to consider:
>>> You know what you know
>>> You know what you don't know
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> And you don't know what you don't know
>> 
>> 
>> sounds like it,    I think ....?
>> 
>> which is why  serendipity always leads to the most important
>> discoveries....
>> 
>> 
>> steve
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>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve: Are you telling me, as a Doctor, that I should take  2 aspirin
>> and
>>>>> stop worrying?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> one may be a bit too much....
>>>> 
>>>> the paradox re focussing with an EVF, is that the lenses that are always
>>>> in focus, are the hardest to focus, and the lenses that are the hardest
>> to
>>>> focus, are easy to focus...
>>>> 
>>>> yes, yes it's true...
>>>> 
>>>> (maybe we need to share those asprins...)
>>>> 
>>>> steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Steve Barbour
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:25 PM
>>>>> To: Leica LUG
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] EVF cameras and especially non native lenses.....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been on the hunt for my "ideal" camera.
>>>>>> The Nikon D7100 is pretty good, lenses that are light in weight are
>>>>>> pretty marginal in performance.  ( relative to Leica lenses)  and it
>>>>>> does not offer a EVF.
>>>>>> The Fuji XE-1 is pretty great, but the smaller sensor is not quite as
>>>>>> useful as a FF sensor would be, for WA lenses.  I routinely shoot with
>>>>>> the WATE and a 21.
>>>>>> I was lucky enough to get a used A7 from a friend of a Lugger
>> recently.
>>>>>> Bolted on a Leica 24 mm lens and went a shootin....
>>>>>> What I have noted is that as a WA shooter, it is really pretty hard to
>>>>>> focus precisely
>>>>> 
>>>>> only because it's almost always in focus....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> s
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> , due to the great DOF WA lenses offer....  Even magnifying the EVF,
>>>>>> the real plane of focus hardly is obvious....  Of course, the DOF
>>>>>> helps to get well focused images even if the precise focus plane is
>>>>>> not right on the money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My M ( put in a number here) never did this.. it was always as easy or
>>>>>> as hard to focus, no matter what lens.  And ewhen in calibration, it
>>>>>> absolutely put the focus plane where it should have been, according to
>>>> the
>>>>> VF.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A Native Sony lens on this camera would be no easier to manually
>>>>>> focus, an AF Lens would be trivial.....
>>>>>> I am learning a lesson....  My "ideal" camera has yet to be
>>>>>> invented......or at least, it would need new AF lenses to go with....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am somewhat inspired to say that the M (Type 240) is as close, on
>>>>>> specs, to "ideal" as can be gotten.....
>>>>>> EVF when you need it, Optical RF when you need it... best of both
>>>>>> worlds.....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then again, I have said that before, different camera, same
>> words......
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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