In my yard yesterday: http://www.wildlightphoto.com/birds/fringillidae/carpodacus/hofinc11.html technical stuff: R8/DMR, 280mm f/4 APO-Telyt-R, tripod & blind, black sunflower + thistle birdseed. All comments welcome. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com