[Leica] Leica prices

[Mark Rabiner]

Geoff I wish I could see your work but all I get is a black square I reset
my Google but I wonder if its my server or supplier or one of those things.
Or solar flares. 
I hope it resolves itself soon. It might when I move from Leopard to Snow
Leopard. Their feet are more webbed and grab the pixels right out of the
air.

When I started shooting medium format on the seamless it was with my
Hasselblad ELM and 150 Sonnar. It was July/21/1979 and I was 28.5. With 12
on a roll and an unfamiliar viewfinder I was not confident I was getting my
shot at the end of a shoot. So I'd backup  an important shoot up with my 105
2.5 Nikkor on my FE2 and 36 on a roll Panatomic X which I was used to. The
problem being when a client got results from both The results didn't match
up. It wasn't that the 150 Sonnar and larger format gave results that were
sharper its that they were smoother and richer.
I'd love to see a shoot perhaps you'd do this in which you shoot with both
your 35mm format Leica M as well as your S. Same gal same setup.
That would be very interesting to see for all of us.
Might sell some S's. Might not. Might sell some M's and Leica M glass.
Might sell some studio strobes who knows?
I'm guessing the results will echo exactly what you get from film.
The S will seem smoother and richer more than sharper. Though it would
really be all three.

In the distant future when medium format digital is being done by more than
a small subset of people someone will do such a direct comparison between
the Leica S with Leica S glass and the predominant Fuji Hussy's with Hassy
glass. I'm predicting a very close race in  which the Leica edges ahead in
the final stretch.


On 9/25/14 1:20 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you George. You expressed my viewpoint perfectly there too.
> My Leica gear has cost me a great deal of money, no question and I've been
> very fortunate to be able to build up that over the last several years. I
> love the photos I make with it  and the way the cameras work to make those
> photos.
> 
> BW only cameras are surely a niche within an already tiny niche.  Leica
> Camera seems to be selling what they can make at the price points they have
> set and doing better than for some time. As far as I can see, astute and
> successful companies like Fujifilm will design and offer whichever products
> they consider  will make them money and/or lift their corporate image in
> whatever market niches they like and the availability of the M mount to use
> if they want is well established.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> On 25 September 2014 13:06, George Lottermoser <george.imagist at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> These points can can only be appreciated by those who actually "get it."
>> 
>> Photographers and Leica naysayers and market analysts will all talk right
>> past each other on these particular tools and their features and their
>> costs and their usefulness.
>> 
>> Photographers seeking optimum black and white quality, at a relatively
>> "reasonable" price when compared to medium format prices, appreciate the
>> size, build, ergonomics, image quality and the continued use of all of
>> their Leica system components dating back to the original M mount:
>> including lenses, Visoflexes, tubes, bellows, etc.
>> 
>> Perhaps one has to be a steady user since 1965 to appreciate the path from
>> M2 to M3 to M6 to M6TTL to M8 to M to M Monchrom - 50 years without break
>> in using M cameras. All of the lenses still work on the newest bodies. The
>> newest lenses work on the oldest bodies. Both bodies and lenses hold their
>> value very well.
>> 
>> You either get or you don't.
>> 
>> For this user it has absolutely nothing to do with "jewelry" or
>> "collecting" or some other bullshit. It has to do with image quality, build
>> quality, ergonomics, how the tool feels in the hands, and accomplishes the
>> intentions of the photographer.
>> 
>> a note off the iPad, George
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:38 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>> 
>>> Meanwhile, everybody who has bought one realises that it is borderline
>> unique in what it offers and are more than happy with the results....
>>> 
>>> When it was announced there were many people thinking it would be an
>> expensive flop/un-needed, however when the results were seen it was a
>> different matter ;-)
>> 
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