[Leica] Bokeh and Lenses

[Tina Manley]

I have that one so I'll try it, too.  I much prefer the bokeh in that photo!

Tina


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:

> You take a different type of photograph to me Tina, two of the images I
> showed the background disks are part of the shot. A straight shot would not
> be worth showing and I like the fact I can create something which the eye
> does not see ;-)
>
>  If you want a neutral background then the 50mm APO Summicron is the best
> I have seen.....
> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/31/content/L2005284_large.html
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I think you are right, Ted!  I'm not going to worry about bokeh any more!
>  From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good" bokeh,
> only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the bokeh is not
> obvious.  If the first thing you see in a photo is the bokeh, that is a bad
> thing!!  All of those hideous circles take your eye away from whatever it
> is that you are trying to photograph in the first place.  I just don't
> understand how that could possibly be considered good.
>
> No more bokeh for me.  Just photos.
>
> Thanks for the reminder, Ted!
>
> Tina
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article:
> > >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> >
> > the larger the aperture
> > the closer the focus
> > the more distant the background
> > the more contrasty the background
> > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the problematic
> > possibilities!<<<<<
> >
> > ======================================================================
> > ======
> > ==============
> >
> > Hi CREW & TINA,
> > So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories about
> > this lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly
> > everyone acquires wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply
> > because if you know nothing about it
> >
> > "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT
> > MATTERS TO THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of them!
> :-)  Hi Mike!
> > ;-)
> >
> > OK here I go again.;-)
> > So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I had
> > been a working well published and paid professional photographer for I
> > suppose 30 years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena existed.
> > Until one day shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on
> > with his spooky "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about
> > this "HORRID LENS EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had
> > nearly always used LEICA glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or
> > not?  "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T
> > KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!"
> > :-)
> >
> > Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was  being
> > hired to fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER A
> > WORD FROM SOME OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT TO
> > HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES FEELINGS!
> > So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my immediate
> > re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!"
> >
> > Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd
> > certainly have been chastised to tears any number of times  in the
> > past published 60 years!
> > But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in any
> > of the over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection!
> >
> > OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........ "I
> > didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in any
> > of the photos hanging on the walls?  Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as usual,
> > just another techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting our
> > picture taking time babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING PICTURES?
> >
> > OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly
> > isn't going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!" :-)
> > cheers, Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tina Manley
> > Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM
> > To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto; Olympus
> > Camera Discussion
> > Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses
> >
> > PESO:
> >
> > Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit about
> > bokeh.  He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their bokeh.
> >
> > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf
> >
> > He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> >
> > the larger the aperture
> > the closer the focus
> > the more distant the background
> > the more contrasty the background
> >
> > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the problematic
> > possibilities!
> >
> > Guess I'll try again.   The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens ratings.
> >
> > Tina
> >
>
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