[Leica] Bokeh and Lenses

[Tina Manley]

I think you are right, Ted!  I'm not going to worry about bokeh any more!
 From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good" bokeh,
only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the bokeh is not
obvious.  If the first thing you see in a photo is the bokeh, that is a bad
thing!!  All of those hideous circles take your eye away from whatever it
is that you are trying to photograph in the first place.  I just don't
understand how that could possibly be considered good.

No more bokeh for me.  Just photos.

Thanks for the reminder, Ted!

Tina


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article:
> >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
>
> the larger the aperture
> the closer the focus
> the more distant the background
> the more contrasty the background
> No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the problematic
> possibilities!<<<<<
>
> ============================================================================
> ==============
>
> Hi CREW & TINA,
> So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories about this
> lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly everyone acquires
> wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply because if you know nothing
> about it
>
> "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT MATTERS TO
> THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of them! :-)  Hi Mike!
> ;-)
>
> OK here I go again.;-)
> So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I had been
> a
> working well published and paid professional photographer for I suppose 30
> years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena existed. Until one day
> shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on with his spooky
> "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about this "HORRID LENS
> EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had nearly always used LEICA
> glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or not?  "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT
> DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!"
> :-)
>
> Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was  being hired to
> fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER A WORD FROM
> SOME
> OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT TO HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES
> FEELINGS!
> So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my immediate
> re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!"
>
> Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd certainly
> have
> been chastised to tears any number of times  in the past published 60
> years!
> But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in any of
> the
> over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection!
>
> OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........ "I
> didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in any of the
> photos hanging on the walls?  Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as usual, just another
> techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting our picture taking time
> babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING PICTURES?
>
> OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly isn't
> going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!" :-)
> cheers,
> Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Tina Manley
> Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM
> To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto; Olympus
> Camera
> Discussion
> Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses
>
> PESO:
>
> Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit about
> bokeh.  He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their bokeh.
>
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf
>
> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
>
> the larger the aperture
> the closer the focus
> the more distant the background
> the more contrasty the background
>
> No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the problematic
> possibilities!
>
> Guess I'll try again.   The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens ratings.
>
> Tina
>
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