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Subject: [Leica] OT: USB 3 PCI card claims "not migrated, " but still works
From: boulanger.croissant at gmail.com (Peter Klein)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 16:16:46 -0700

Big thank you to all who replied, especially Frank and Sonny.

The "Device is not migrated" message may not be a problem at all. There 
are numerous articles on the Web, all giving the same possible 
troubleshooting steps, none of which work for many people. Microsoft has 
never officially defined precisely what this message means, according to 
an IT pro on an MS Help forum.? The advice on several dozen Web sites is 
that if you get this message and the device doesn't work, follow the 
troubleshooting steps: The newest device drivers, newest chipset 
drivers, a system file check, latest BIOS, and reset to default BIOS 
settings.? If that doesn't solve the problem, buy new hardware.? What's 
also interesting is that sometimes this error occurs after a Windows 
update, when the device was working fine up until then. And it has 
occurred on Microsoft's own hardware.

So, what if the device *does* work?? MS forums have the same advice:? 
Spin your wheels with fixes that don't work, do a clean install of 
Windows, and then give up and buy new hardware.

Now for an interesting wrinkle. I decided to go through Device Manager 
thoroughly and check for "migration" issues on other devices.? My wife's 
computer is much newer than mine. It's a plain-vanilla Dell with no 
extra stuff added beyond a wireless card.?? Guess what?? Some of her 
hardware also show "device was not migrated," including the 
motherboard's built-in USB controllers. Same thing on my computer.? Yet 
everything has been working fine since I "upgraded" both our computers 
to Win10 last September.

My semi-educated guess is that there is some sort of checklist MS uses 
for hardware and drivers that ensure absolute 100% compatibility with 
all the latest and greatest in their updates. Some of these checklist 
standards are too strict--a device that doesn't pass with a 100% score 
will still work fine. But, perhaps for legal reasons, MS puts a message 
in an obscure tab a couple of levels down in Device Manager, where no 
one but hard-core techies go.? And they do NOT show this as a true 
error.? There is no yellow warning triangle, and you don't find the 
events in any of the standard Event Viewer logs. In other words, what we 
don't know won't hurt us, but MS' legal posterior is covered, because 
they "warned" us.? It also encourages hardware manufacturers to 
absolutely comply with MS standards, and encourages us to buy new hardware.

It's almost enough to make a guy go to LINUX.? Almost.? That way lies a 
different madness...?? :-)

--Peter

----------
Frank Filippone wrote:

 > I would follow Sonny's advice.
 >
 > Most of the aftermarket cards are designed not by the guy whose name 
is on
 > it nor the selling company but rather by the company that makes the 
chips.?
 > The design complete with the PCB layout and any required firmware is 
given
 > to anyone that wants to build using (BUYING!!!) the chips.? This the
 > support is flaky but the design is probably good.? Asking for assistance
 > will get you nowhere.? They know nothing.
 >
 > If it were me, I would start looking for a new PC.? What you have is 
pretty
 > old.? Not that that means anything but the SW you put on it will start
 > going flaky because the old FW and BIOS is not "right" for the new SW.?
 > Ditto USB 3.0 ports etc..... there is no such thing as a properly 
working,
 > out
 > of date, old computer.
 >
 > Now it may sound easy for me to spend your $$$ so let me suggest that 
you
 > start watching
 >
 > https://www.dell.com/en-us/dfh/shop/dell-refurbished/cp/outlet
 >
 > It is the official outlet store for Dell products, and carries 
returned and
 > overrun computers at really big discounts.? After you decide WHAT to 
buy,
 > wait.? They run sales all the time....? My Dell (XPS8930) cost me 
about 35%
 > of its list price. Warranty is same as new. Buy when you get to the 
price
 > you want for the model you want.? The inventory changes all the 
time.... so
 > if something looks really good, it may not repeat....
 >
 > Get a 8 Core Intel processor.....but the speed is pretty much a dead
 > issue.... you will not need blazing speeds here....Pick by price....? 
I have
 > a
 > preference for Intel processors....
 >
 > Get the maximum amount of RAM possible, usually 16GB.... but you 
might find
 > 32GB.? DO NOT BUY A 8GB SYSTEM!!!
 >
 > Get a mid-"weight" 4gb or 8gb graphics card.? Speed and expense is not
 > required in most cases.? This includes photo editing.? video cards are
 > designed
 > by the chip suppliers, and with some options, again buy based on price.?
 > Nvidia and AMD are the 2 main suppliers.
 >
 > Storage.... get a 1-2TB main HDD or an SSD.? Add a 2-14TB 7200 rpm 
HDD for
 > your main storage.? Do this yourself.? There are lots of places to buy
 > them, including Amazon.
 >
 > Skip the DVD and CD drives..... no one uses them to distribute SW
 > anymore.... but for your existing music or other purposes , you may 
need one.
 >
 > Do not buy add on SW... you can get it from Amazon.
 >
 >
 > If anyone needs help in specific selection, please contact me.....
 >
 >
 > Frank Filippone
 > BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
 > On 6/6/2021 4:57 PM, Sonny Carter via LUG wrote:
 > > My guess is to let it go, if it?s working.? On the other hand, if 
you have
 > > the install drive, for win 10, it gives you a repair option, and 
you can
 > > save your apps and files.
 > >
 > > I think the clean system install will let windows find the correct 
driver
 > > and install the card.
 > >
 > > If you feel shaky about that, maybe image your drive before you do 
anything
 > > else.
 > >
 > > (Sez the guy who just had to do a full clean install after a win 10 
crash
 > > that wouldn?t let me repair.)
 > >
 > > SonC
 > >
 > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:32 PM Peter Klein via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org>
 > > wrote:
 > >
 > >> Summary:? The old Transcend 2-port USB 3 PCIe card in my PC died this
 > >> past week. It worked fine for years. I replaced it with a FebSmart
 > >> 2-port card.? The replacement appears to work fine. But Device Manager
 > >> says that it's "not migrated due to to a partial or ambiguous match."
 > >> Should I be worried?
 > >>
 > >> Details:? I just installed a "FebSmart" FS-U2-Pro USB 3.0 PCIe 
card, $13
 > >> from Amazon.? My computer is a Dell Optiplex 980, 8 GB memory, 450 GB
 > >> SSD system drive, 2000 GB data drive, Windows 10 Professional 
x64.? The
 > >> Optiplex 980 is not officially compatible with Win10, but many 980
 > >> owners have successfully upgraded.? Mine has been happily running 
Win10
 > >> since last year.? I use USB 3 to back up my computer, and to download
 > >> files from my camera SD cards.
 > >>
 > >> I keep getting the error "Device not migrated" in the Device Manager
 > >> entries for the Renesas USB 3.0 Host Controller and Hub. Despite the
 > >> error, the USB card appears to work correctly. I can use it with my
 > >> Seagate portable hard drive (for backups), a SDI card reader, and
 > >> various flash drives.? Speeds appear comparable with the old card. 
A 2GB
 > >> copy of RAW camera files from a card reader to my hard drive, and from
 > >> the hard drive to my backup USB drive all went flawlessly, and bit
 > >> compares of all these files showed no errors.
 > >>
 > >> The FebSmart card was supplied with a driver dated 2011(!).? The
 > >> manufacturer's web site has the exact same driver. Windows loads very
 > >> recent Microsoft drivers (late 2020 and 2021).? I have tried
 > >> uninstalling and reinstalling both drivers, and I get the same 
result. I
 > >> tried the remedies mentioned in various Web articles. No help. I
 > >> contacted the manufacturer and got the following reply:
 > >>
 > >> "Hello,I suggest you relaod System,for brand PCs some times it 
have some
 > >> limitations . Some brand PCs do not accept the device ,it is no way to
 > >> add it on . But if you reload systems all problems will be done."
 > >>
 > >> In other words, "just reinstall Windows and all your software." 
Ummm, no.
 > >>
 > >> Frankly, I'm not sure that the error message isn't bogus, since 
the card
 > >> works.? So at this point, I can just run with the current card unless
 > >> something truly goes wrong, or replace it with a $20 Inatek card
 > >> (Chinese company), or a $37 StarTech card (made in Taiwan for a 
Canadian
 > >> company).? Throwing much more money than that at the problem is 
probably
 > >> not worth it.? I'll probably replace the PC in a year or two, but I'd
 > >> like to get a bit more life out of it for now.
 > >>
 > >> Any thoughts or suggestions happily considered. Thanks!
 > >> --Peter
 > >>


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