Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/11/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Wayne, Yes, backing up is important. The papers are still sold. I just feel that Epson does not put much effort into supporting older printers, but they don?t mind still selling the inks! John _ John Beeching johnbeeching at gmail.com Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching > On 4 Nov 2020, at 22:57, Wayne Torry via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> > wrote: > > Great news! > Now. Backup. Backup. Keep a backup next to the computer. > Another question: > Is the paper no longer sold? You said that the profiles were no longer > available from the paper websites. > What paper will you switch to when you run out? > Cheers! > Wayne > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 12:32 PM John Beeching via LUG <lug at > leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> My problem is now resolved and I would like to pass on the ?solution? so >> that others don?t have to waste days and exhaust their know expletives. >> >> A suggestion I received from several was to uninstall the printer driver >> and reinstall it from the Epson website. I tried this several times but >> with no success ? the driver installed OK but no ICC profiles came with >> it. I then discovered that if you install from here: >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.15.x>> >> you get v10.35 of the driver, which does not have the ICC profiles. >> However, if you install from this site: >> https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15 >> >> <https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15> >> < >> https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15 >> >> <https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/large-format-printers/epson-stylus-pro-3880/Support-Downloads/15>> >> you get v10.33, which does have the ICC profiles. So, for some obscure >> reason the latest version comes without the profiles. I am now up and >> running again, but still cursing Epson for several days of frustration. >> >> Happy printing, >> >> John >> >> _ >> John Beeching >> johnbeeching at gmail.com >> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ >> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 16:01, Wayne Torry via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> John, >>> I feel your pain. >>> I am locked in to Lightroom 6 and do not update the OS on my iMac. >>> Do you have a backup of the computer with the missing profiles? >>> Are there any online printing or paper user groups where you can get the >>> profiles? >>> If you succeed in retrieving the profiles, put them on multiple flash >>> drives and lock them in a safety deposit box! >>> Good luck! >>> Wayne >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:44 AM John Beeching via LUG < >> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Jayanand, >>>> >>>> They should be in the printer driver package and I have tried >>>> reinstalling; however, the ICC profiles do not appear. I suspect that >>>> while the driver is now 64 bit, the drivers bundled with it are still 32 >>>> bit and as a result to not install on Catalina. >>>> >>>> I realise that there are other solutions like those you suggest. But I >> am >>>> happy with my papers, working within LightRoom and would prefer to avoid >>>> the complexity of adding in third-party software if possible. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> John >>>> _ >>>> John Beeching >>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com> >>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/> >>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching >>>> <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 02:31, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG < >>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think both your profiles are included in the driver package for the >>>>> printer, in which case, just reinstalling the driver should be enough. >>>>> >>>>> You could also try googling for Stylus Pro 3885 or 3890 - the same >>>> printer, >>>>> but differently chipped cartridges for sale in other parts of the >> world - >>>>> for example, in India, it was the 3885. I think it is still available >> for >>>>> purchase here (at least, it was a few months ago). >>>>> >>>>> Otherwise, I see only two real solutions: >>>>> >>>>> - change your standard papers >>>>> >>>>> - use a RIP with profiles, like Imageprint >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:53 PM John Beeching via LUG < >>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >>>> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto: >> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Jayanand. But I?ve been there and the list does not include >> the >>>>>> two papers I use. They used to be available, but no longer. >>>>>> _ >>>>>> John Beeching >>>>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com> >>>>>> <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com>> >>>>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/> >>>>>> <https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/>> >>>>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching >>>>>> <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching> < >> https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching >> <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3 Nov 2020, at 16:15, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG < >>>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >>>>>> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x> >>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:21 PM John Beeching via LUG < >>>>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >>>>>> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto: >> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>> <mailto: >>>> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >>>> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>> <mailto: >> lug at leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org> <mailto:lug at >> leica-users.org <mailto:lug at leica-users.org>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have ?lost? the ICC profiles that I use when printing and cannot >>>> find >>>>>>>> them either on my computer or on the printer/paper manufacturer?s >>>>>> website >>>>>>>> or elsewhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me explain: I print from LightRoom (LrC) on an Epson Stylus Pro >>>> 3880 >>>>>>>> mostly on Epson Enhanced (Archival) Matte or Epson Velvet Fine Art >>>>>> papers >>>>>>>> from a Mac running Catalina. The ICC profiles which I used to use >>>> are: >>>>>>>> Epson Stylus Pro 3880_3885_3890 EnhancedMattePaper.icc or Epson >> Stylus >>>>>> Pro >>>>>>>> 3880_3885_3890 ArchivalMattePaper.icc; and Epson Stylus Pro >>>>>> 3880_3885_3890 >>>>>>>> VelvetFineArtPaper.icc. These appear to be no longer available from >>>> LrC >>>>>>>> and I cannot find them on the computer. Neither are they any longer >>>>>>>> available from the Epson website >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >> < >> https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile >> >> <https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/Epson-Stylus-Pro-Series/Epson-Stylus-Pro-3880/s/SPT_CA61201-VM?review-filter=macOS+10.12.x#iccprofile> >>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Though they are still mentioned on this Epson page >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>> < >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>> >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >> < >> http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm >> >> <http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/lfp/styluspro38803885/ug/html/trble_2.htm> >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suspect that their disappearance from my computer may have >> something >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> do with upgrading from Mojave to Catalina. While their loss is not >>>>>>>> critical when printing black and white photos it is for colour ones. >>>> I >>>>>>>> would greatly appreciate any help with this frustrating problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _ >>>>>>>> John Beeching >>>>>>>> johnbeeching at gmail.com <mailto:johnbeeching at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Website: https://johnbeeching.com/ <https://johnbeeching.com/> >>>>>>>> Books: https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching >>>>>>>> <https://www.blurb.co.uk/user/johnbeeching> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>> < >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>>> for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>> < >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug < >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug>>> for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug < >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug >> <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug > <http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug> for more information