Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/05/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Frank, crop a couple of salient bits and post them on the Lug Gallery, with the larger photo as a smaller jpg at 1920 pixels across so that we can get some context. Never mind your reservation about the possible imperfections of perception. I've been battling against my own imperfections since birth = and failing :-) Douglas On 25/05/2020 22:48, Frank Filippone via LUG wrote: > If anyone want to actually see for themselves the differences, I would > be happy to email them directly 2 files...?? But the RAW files are > like 80MB each.....and I will not send out jpg files, because it is > the wrong way to see the differences.... > > Maybe I can try to do some cropping.... let me try... Will report > back.... > > > Frank Filippone BMWRed735i at gmail.com > On 5/25/2020 1:53 PM, Douglas Barry wrote: >> Sample images??? >> >> On 25/05/2020 21:18, Frank Filippone via LUG wrote: >>> If you own or have contemplated the purchase of a Sony A7 series >>> body to use with your Leica M lenses, you have heard that Leica WA >>> lenses show smeared corners due to the closeness of the lens to the >>> sensor.. the image ray's angle causes problems. >>> >>> A company, KolariVision, has a modification to the A7 series that >>> replaces the standard cover plate ( the one that fell OFF my M9) >>> with a very thin glass cover plate ( I think it is 0.2mm thick. the >>> Leica OEM plate is approx 2mm thick).? This improves the image >>> quality in the corners of the frame.... So the question is, if I >>> read all the literature, is any or all of it true?? Is it just >>> marketing BS? >>> >>> I went testing ( yes, again). >>> >>> One of the most awful lenses for this problem used on the Sony A7 >>> bodies that Leica has made is the 28 Summicron ASPH.? V1. >>> >>> One of the best lenses on the Sony bodies is the WATE... 16/18/21mm >>> F4? Wide Angle TriElmar? I tried both.? I also tested a 21mm SEM, >>> because I was asked to. >>> >>> The cameras were setup identically. The only thing that changed in >>> this test was the body.( Tripod, same shutter speed, same apertures, >>> same lens.... ) >>> >>> ::::SPOILER ALERT:::::: >>> >>> The Kolari modified body FAR exceeded the IQ of the unmodified body >>> in the corners... >>> >>> A7rii vs A7rii Kolari >>> >>> With 21mm SEM and 28mm Summicron ( notoriously bad on Sony bodies) >>> >>> At ISO50 >>> >>> At Fwide open, F4 and F8 >>> >>> Distance from camera to center of image was about 15 feet. Tripod of >>> course. >>> >>> The camera body was place at an angle, allowing for easy access to >>> the corners ( the horizon line was set corner to corner) ...... >>> Essentially stressing the lens corner quality as much as possible..... >>> >>> Focusing was done by x10 focus enlargement in MF mode in the center >>> of the image......? I did not focus in the corners.... I use a >>> ground glass kind of focusing, no high tech stuff. When it LOOKS >>> sharp it IS sharp. >>> >>> Focus was not done at each F stop... it was done wide open only. >>> Care was taken to not move the focus ring when changing aperture. >>> >>> In the center of the frame, there was little to no difference in the >>> images.? The cameras produced very similar images.... see comment >>> below about the color shift..... >>> >>> There was NO condition where the Kolari modified body did not beat, >>> by a large amount, the corner sharpness of unmodified A7rii.? NONE.? >>> 21 SEM, WATE, 28 Summicron V1.... All the same result. >>> >>> I also added on the M240/28mm Summicron as a test vehicle against >>> the Sony body.... The Kolari body BESTED the Leica body.? Not by as >>> much as the Kolari bested the unmodified body, but it was pretty >>> obvious. >>> >>> There is no question in my mind, that the Kolari Modified thin glass >>> cover plate was a BIG improvement to the lenses tested, and I am >>> willing to bet, it is a big improvement to ALL WA lenses...... >>> >>> Further note:? There is a color difference between the Kolari body >>> and the Leica or Sony unmodified bodies.? The color shift is >>> expressed as a purple tint in the Kolari modified body. Especially >>> in the gray areas.... >>> >>> I should have shot a white card and color corrected on that..... >>> maybe another day..... >>> >>> I am pretty anal when I do these tests.? I am careful, I look at the >>> images 1:1 in comparison mode in LR.? The results are correct. >>> >>> If you want to up your Leica IQ game in the corners.... send a Sony >>> A7 family body and $400 to Kolarivision, and get it done. It is >>> cheaper than buying a M-60MP body will be..... >>> >>> I did not test native lenses on the modified body.? Maybe another >>> day...... >>> >>> Paul Roark ( who found this out for himself several years ago and >>> got me thinking down this path) ... want to add anything? >>> >>> >>> PS: If you type in only Kolari to your Google search, I think you >>> get a porn site.... You will figure that out pretty easily. It needs >>> to be www.KolariVision.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information