Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/05/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ignore - missed your earlier reply. Very cool shot. The house looks great, and roast boar every night to boot! D On 13/05/2020 15:12, Douglas Barry wrote: > Is that your own very fancy Hassy drone, Philippe? > > > On 13/05/2020 12:38, Philippe via LUG wrote: >> Parks, and Parks :-) >> >> Barcelons is known to have wild-boars around. >> https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/bombers/en/noticia/watch-out-for-wild-boars_360417 >> >> >> >> Closing the gates prevents them from investing the nearly deserted >> places and spreading hepatitis through the community on top of >> COVID19, mostly to the kids playing in these parks. >> >> That might another of the reasons why. But who am I to guess ? >> >> Amities >> >> Philippe, semi-confined and surrounded by wild-boars, cf infra :-) >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Metz/DJI_0220.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=xe8847acf >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Le 12 mai 2020 ? 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a >>> ?crit : >>> >>> HI, Phillipe.? My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the >>> stupidity of some government officials.? My daughter had >>> reservations for a >>> camping spot in a Washington State park.? Reservations mean you >>> don't get >>> in the park without one.? Limited number of folks in the huge park.? >>> Yet >>> her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise >>> around the >>> park ensuring that the rules were followed?? What the F&%k are the >>> state >>> employees doing with nobody allowed in the park.? Moving the >>> conversation >>> to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so >>> different >>> age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the >>> gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the >>> rules were >>> followed?? If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions >>> then >>> ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all >>> involved. >>> Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations >>> sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the >>> park or >>> whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some >>> could >>> not keep the rest of the citizens safe. >>> >>> The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies >>> that make >>> sense for them.? Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns >>> until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is >>> created.? Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful >>> balancing >>> of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus >>> is as >>> low as possible.? In this scenario government finances are stretched >>> to the >>> limit as there is no income coming in.? Some organizations close >>> forever as >>> resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, >>> commitments >>> for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock >>> up said >>> resources). >>> >>> Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible >>> watching >>> hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with >>> antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources >>> available.? Here you will shut things down progressively if your >>> medical >>> resources begin to overload.? In this scenario deaths may increase >>> dramatically if wrong calls are made. >>> >>> Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open >>> with >>> strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the >>> virus. >>> Social distancing is strongly enforced.? This is a middle path with >>> possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less >>> affected. >>> >>> Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as >>> people >>> are found to be infected.? This only works in small population >>> countries >>> with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority.? It also only >>> works >>> when the infection is just starting and the infected are a >>> relatively small >>> number.? This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many >>> are >>> infected to trace the infections. >>> >>> Scenario 5 is the Swedish model.? Essentially a variation on the German >>> model with more choice by the citizens.? Currently a higher >>> mortality rate >>> than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not >>> developed >>> in 6-18 months. >>> >>> In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously. States like >>> Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2.? NY, >>> Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1.? >>> The next >>> few weeks will be enlightening. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A tragedy yes. >>>> >>>> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different >>>> places, >>>> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the >>>> US, etc. >>>> >>>> Same virus though. Lethal for humans. >>>> >>>> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerve?a ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Amities >>>> >>>> Philippe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Le 12 mai 2020 ? 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a >>>>> ?crit : >>>>> >>>>> That is a tragedy.? Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus.? People >>>>> just >>>>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask.? Several of our >>>>> states >>>> have >>>>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the >>>>> rules.? If >>>>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they >>>>> won't >>>>> follow them walking down the street. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG < >>>> lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A Parc in confinement?. >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>>>> >>>>>> Saludos cordiales >>>>>> Lluis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Don >>>>> don.dory at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Don >>> don.dory at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information