Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/05/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Don, Philippe Thanks for looking and commenting. I agree that?s stupid close the Urban Parks, with this reasonement they could close also the public places?.There some stupid rules on this situation?. but?. Cheers / Amiti?s Lluis > El 12 maig 2020, a les 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> va > escriure: > > HI, Phillipe. My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the > stupidity of some government officials. My daughter had reservations for a > camping spot in a Washington State park. Reservations mean you don't get > in the park without one. Limited number of folks in the huge park. Yet > her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise around the > park ensuring that the rules were followed? What the F&%k are the state > employees doing with nobody allowed in the park. Moving the conversation > to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so different > age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the > gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the rules were > followed? If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions then > ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all involved. > Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations > sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the park or > whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some could > not keep the rest of the citizens safe. > > The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies that make > sense for them. Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns > until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is > created. Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful balancing > of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus is as > low as possible. In this scenario government finances are stretched to the > limit as there is no income coming in. Some organizations close forever as > resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, commitments > for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock up said > resources). > > Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible watching > hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with > antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources > available. Here you will shut things down progressively if your medical > resources begin to overload. In this scenario deaths may increase > dramatically if wrong calls are made. > > Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open with > strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the virus. > Social distancing is strongly enforced. This is a middle path with > possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less > affected. > > Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as people > are found to be infected. This only works in small population countries > with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority. It also only works > when the infection is just starting and the infected are a relatively small > number. This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many are > infected to trace the infections. > > Scenario 5 is the Swedish model. Essentially a variation on the German > model with more choice by the citizens. Currently a higher mortality rate > than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not developed > in 6-18 months. > > In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously. States like > Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2. NY, > Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1. The next > few weeks will be enlightening. > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> > wrote: > >> A tragedy yes. >> >> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different places, >> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the US, >> etc. >> >> Same virus though. Lethal for humans. >> >> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerve?a ... >> >> >> Amities >> >> Philippe >> >> >> >>> Le 12 mai 2020 ? 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a >>> ?crit : >>> >>> That is a tragedy. Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus. People just >>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask. Several of our states >> have >>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the rules. If >>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they won't >>> follow them walking down the street. >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG < >> lug at leica-users.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A Parc in confinement?. >>>> < >>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0 >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>> >>>> Saludos cordiales >>>> Lluis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Don >>> don.dory at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > -- > Don > don.dory at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information