Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2020/02/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I?m in Japan for the month, I?m seeing mostly Sony mirrorless among the general population, a few other mirrorless, and rarely a DSLR. Among bird photographers I?ve seen one Nikon, one Canon and one Sony A-mount aside from my a7rIII. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 15, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <lug at > leica-users.org> wrote: > > On my recent trip to South Georgia, there were six Olympus users, four > Nikon Z7 users, a single Lumix user, a single Fuji user and a single Sony > user out of 70 photographers, including the leaders, on board. The rest > were all Canikon DSLR users. No inferences intended, just a statement of > fact. I was actually surprised they were not more mirrorless users around. > > Cheers > Jayanand > > On Sat, 15 Feb, 2020, 07:27 Sonny Carter via LUG, <lug at leica-users.org> > wrote: > >> If they are using Sony, they're using mirrorless pretty much. I don't >> see >> any of the older ones in my very touristy town when we have crowds. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sonny >> http://sonc.com <http://sonc.com/look/> >> Natchitoches, Louisiana >> 1714 >> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >> >> USA >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 6:44 PM Aram Langhans via LUG <lug at >> leica-users.org >>> >> wrote: >> >>> Everybody keeps saying that mirrorless is booming, but in my outings in >>> the >>> National Parks and Forest, I do not see them. I see tons of the crop >>> sensor >>> Nikons, a few less Canons (that surprises me), and every so often a Sony >>> or >>> even less often an Olympus. I see more film cameras with each outing. >>> So, >>> while sales figures may say one thing, people who are more landscape >>> photographers are not walking around with many mirrorless cameras...... >>> YET!! >>> >>> Aram >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mark Rabiner >>> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 10:11 AM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nikon et al vs MIrrorless cameras >>> >>> This implies sales on the Z6, Z7 and Z50 camera have been slow in sales >>> and >>> I'm pretty sure that has not been the case at all I think it's been a >> boom >>> for Nikon on all levels. I was in the market for a Nikon body last >>> January >>> and the new and first out Nikon mirrorless Z6, Z7 were just out and were >>> getting a ton of exposure. An innovated forward looking light hearted >>> person >>> would have gone that route. Not me like you were saying Nikon is a day >> one >>> with mirrorless and the last thing I'm going to do is invest some big >>> change >>> into a first out. Turns out I was wrong these cameras worked out >> perfectly >>> and paved the way for the recent release the DX cropped format Z50 which >>> would really save my on Tylenol and Aleve bills. (this is not a product >>> endorsement) >>> I still say avoid first outs. And the D50 is not a first out. And its >>> cheap >>> and lightweight and compact as all get out. And that tiny feather weight >>> zoom lens it often comes with is a near pancake could do me fine for >> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> >>> ?On 2/14/20, 12:45 PM, "LUG on behalf of Frank Filippone via LUG" >>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>> lug at leica-users.org> wrote: >>> >>> Peter and Howard have been having a debate on Nikon ( specifically) >>> Z6 >>> camera progress to replacing all DSLR with Mirrorless models. >>> >>> A different perspective.... >>> First the interchange..... >>> The loan program shows how desperate Nikon is to convince Nikon users >>> to >>> move from DSLRs to the EVF models. The latter are competent, as you >>> can >>> see, >>> but I am not sure that they will be as versatile as the old mirror >>> prisms >>> on the DSLRs - especially for the flying bird photography that I do >>> >>> Now the perspective.... >>> The first Nikon camera to be digital was the D1 in 1999. 20 years >> ago. >>> They have done a wonderful job of improving and refining the >> camera(s) >>> since then. The first Nikon mirrorless is the Z6/7 introduced in >>> 2018. >>> It >>> is to be understood that the Mirrorless camera has not had the >>> development >>> time and effort that the DSLR models have. Plus the business >> decision >>> to >>> not develop too quickly and have all your DSLR sales go to zero >>> because >>> of >>> the "better" mirrorless model. ( incentive to NOT change or improve). >>> A few years ago I predicted the end of the DSLR domination. That is >>> becoming a fact. Manufacturing infrastructure at Nikon is >>> predominantly >>> mechanically inclined employees. Mirrorless camera require >>> significantly >>> less mechanical assembly... they are basically computers with some >>> mechanical integration. THEY ARE INHERENTLY LESS COSTLY TO PRODUCE. >>> The Sony A7 caught Nikon lollygagging around.. and Nikon declared the >>> Sony >>> technology to be inferior...... never going to work as well.... Never >>> going >>> to be able to AF as well. Never going .... you fill in the final >>> part..... Then came the Sony A9, which made Nikon shut up. The A9 >>> was >>> created to defy Nikon. Fix all the naysayers comments, especially >> the >>> Birders and teh Sports guys..... Then came the A9II which further >>> strengthened the Mirrorless position..... >>> Nikon is in no different position than they were a few years ago.. >>> denying >>> the obvious superiority of the mirrorless technology because of their >>> heavy >>> infrastructure investments on mirror-box manufacturing. >>> Canon has stated no new DSLR lens development. Guess the word is >>> received >>> at Canon..... go Mirrorless. >>> If you want a bird imaging camera, with the Nikon brand on front, it >> is >>> coming. As good as the D5 or D500. Better. Just wait a couple more >>> years....... maybe sooner..... >>> Because you ain't going to see new, high end DSLR development in the >>> future. Brand N or C.. Or other. >>> >>> >>> >>> Frank Filippone >>> BMWRed735i at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information