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Subject: [Leica] Editing
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:02:30 -0400
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Right Ted that?s the other thing I also agree with and tell people to no 
avail. Editors are People! They edit stuff! And they sure as hell don't 
print in the darkroom or develop negs that?s the last place you'd find them 
unless a light table is there! But these guys don?t care they just like 
messing with the language coming up with buzz words, memes and as far as I 
go.... Weasel Words! (which means words which really don't mean anything)
And I've agreed with your take on editors who chop the heads out of your pix 
and have no concept of a balanced composition nor respect for yours! I think 
the proper name for these guys are "paste up artists". Some of whom call 
themselves editors or art directors.
As we get more experienced and people know who we are more they feel less 
uninhibited as chopping block artists and butcher our images less.
To get back at them I'd print an 11x14 or even bigger full frame black 
border and hang it up on my wall so some people know what these images 
really look like. And or put them in my "book" which means portfolio and 
show them to anyone who'd look.

 
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 7/31/19, 9:13 PM, "LUG on behalf of Ted Grant via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

    Hi Mark,
    As you well know back in the days when newspapers' had a "city editor 
who quite often was also the "photo editor" whom upon editing the photos for 
the latest edition. Used a large pair of scissors' and would say out 
loud....."2 column!" 
    And in a flash he chopped "edited the print" to a composition size to 
fit a 2 column page space. 
    Most "city editors I have worked with have been "blind in both eyes" 
when it came to correct & true beautifying a picture page in beauty! Only to 
chop the photo to fit a "column size" DESTROYING IN MOST CASES THE 
"composition" BEAUTY of the photo completely!
    cheers,
    Dr. ted grant O.C.
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
    Sent: July-31-19 5:30 PM
    To: Leica Users Group
    Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing
    
    I wonder what they use for the term "Editing" now  as it doesn?t mean 
"Editing" any more.
    Part of this is that the thread name is "Editing" which for the whipper 
snappers out there are fixated on video rhetoric "Editing" means 
"processing". Although sometimes the word  "post" or "post processing" works.
    It all makes sense I guess if you pretend you are making a video thing 
is we're not we are making photographs and you shoot the pictures , process 
them and print them and then edit the ones you're going to use in the end. 
Or edit the ones you are going to print.
    So the thread "Editing" here really means just that. That?s enough to 
confuse a bunch of people. Not use though!
    
    I wonder what they use for the term "Editing" now  as it doesn?t mean 
"Editing" any more.
    
     
     
    
    -- 
    
    Mark William Rabiner
    Photographer
    
    ?On 7/31/19, 7:35 PM, "LUG on behalf of Ted Grant via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:
    
        THANK YOU MY DEAR TINA, A SUPER FINE LADY SHOOTER OF THE BEST!
        cheers,
        Dr.ted grant O.C.
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] 
On Behalf Of
        Tina Manley via LUG
        Sent: July-31-19 4:27 PM
        To: Leica Users Group
        Cc: Tina Manley
        Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing
        
        Well, I'm not quite as old as you are, Ted, but I'm getting there!!
        
        You have always been an inspiration and are probably the reason I am 
still
        a photographer today.
        
        Lots of love from SC,
        
        TIna
        
        On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:19 PM Ted Grant via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org>
        wrote:
        
        > INTERESTING FILING AND EDITING? :-)
        > In the National Archives of Canada in Ottawa they have a number of
        > photographic collections from the files of Canadian PHOTOGS. Part 
of my
        > collection in their files at the moment 236,000 images! Not 
counting what
        I
        > still have in storage here.
        > EVENTUALLY, every image in my files will be added to complete 
everything I
        > have shot during my near 65 years shooting almost daily? It was 
and still
        > is
        > starting at Age 20 yrs.old and still having fun doing it when I 
can and my
        > 90 year old body will let me!!:-) And my LEICA's still work! :-)
        > These do not include thousands shot for clients, kept by clients. 
It's no
        > wonder once and a while the index finger of my right hand get's 
some kind
        > of
        > a twitch!!  :-)
        >  But in reality I would shoot them all over again and more if 
given the
        > opportunity. WHY?
        > My gosh, just for one moment think about re-living your life over 
doing
        > nothing but shooting paid assignments about your country and many 
more
        > about
        > the world!
        > BOOKS PUBLISHED and sold about the world and sold to many, many LUG
        > shooters
        > and CD's produced for TV & sold about the world to networks.
        > Like I said the other day when I was asked, "if today you had the 
offer to
        > go anywhere to shoot an assignment? Where would you go???"
        > MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WAS? "OUTER SPACE" without a blink of an 
eye! "YEP!"
        > WELL I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD ON "PAID ASSIGNMENTS" by 
clients, why
        > wouldn't I pick some place I haven't been? :-)
        > But then that has been my life! Loving it 99.9% of the time 
including
        > today.
        > What interesting shoots I can still do properly!
        > cheers,
        > Dr. Ted Grant O.C.
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] 
On Behalf
        > Of
        > Steve Barbour via LUG
        > Sent: July-30-19 5:37 PM
        > To: Tina; Leica LUG
        > Cc: Steve Barbour
        > Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing
        >
        >
        > > On 2019-07-30 15:35, Tina Manley via LUG wrote:
        > >> PESO:
        > >> I am cleaning up old files on my Drobo and trying to consolidate
        > >> everything.  Years ago, I spent a couple of weeks with Maggie 
Steber, a
        > >> photo editor, who helped me edit 50,000 of my Honduran photos 
down to
        > about
        > >> 24.  The problem is that I have many, many more than the 
original
        50,000
        > >> that she edited.  According to my LR files, I have 174,258 
photos of
        > >> Honduras.  If I spend the rest of my life editing them I will 
not
        > finish.
        >
        > > yes!
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > >
        >
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