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Subject: [Leica] RE Cost of pictures
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:26:39 +0530
References: <D362E352-F783-4B78-A29B-3FC1ED406F34@gmail.com> <CA+yJO1DtcvTF0-8xy1uN1gEyDUSK_w7-qZPrD02j+_C8ihkRtA@mail.gmail.com> <004e01d4449d$0dfb8a50$29f29ef0$@ca> <FF5D5E8F-7788-4750-A091-9152CE948D77@mac.com> <CAH1UNJ2yyKDU=g7K4S2ii0zdwf=TKF8yM=yWWUy8TMsJ7BiDkQ@mail.gmail.com> <CA+yJO1B7AfeB1G_skqhofY5z59+=YjdwFA2JHs+xxrBP_HeMCw@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice, the Canon seems to have done a great job! In fact the whole
folder is compelling viewing.

Hindu weddings are way more complex than Muslim ones, though! This is
mainly due to the fact that  it is not only the bride and groom that are
tying the knot, but the complete extended families as well.

Cheers
Jayanand

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> I once photographed an Indian wedding in Charlotte that lasted 3 days!!  It
> was a lot of fun but I did it for a documentary project and was paid
> nothing ;-)
>
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/85337753
>
> I have to make enough on my stock photography to pay for my documentary
> work which is why I photograph in the first place!
>
> It's worth it, though.  I wouldn't change a thing (except that the Indian
> wedding was photographed during the one year I used Canons instead of
> Leicas!!)
>
> Tina
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>
> > $1500 converted to Indian Rupees is three months average expenses here
> for
> > a comfortable middle class urban life.
> >
> > Four friends of mine have formed a group who photograph weddings,
> covering
> > both stills and videos. They charge around US$3000 for a week's work as
> > Indian weddings go on forever, and are incredibly complex to photograph.
> > They are considered high priced.
> >
> > Just to put things in some perspective....
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:17 AM, chris williams via LUG <
> > lug at leica-users.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On average I make $1500 per day on a photography job. That?s almost
> > always
> > > shooting,downloading,editing and delivery of images by end of day.
> Throw
> > in
> > > a few direct from camera social media images as well.
> > >
> > > Last week I sold 5 images through Getty and I made $5.75.
> > >
> > > Currently I don?t have a ?job? until Friday.
> > >
> > > I only buy Leicas used.
> > >
> > > Chris Williams
> > > www.dcdocumentaryphotographers.com
> > > www.zoeicaimages.net
> > > 504-231-6261
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 4, 2018, at 6:17 PM, Ted Grant via LUG <lug at 
> > > > leica-users.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tina,
> > > > Well all I can say about "money earning photography today?" It
> > > absolutely sucks compared to "being an in depend business 20 years ago?
> > > Maybe even 10 years ago?
> > > > Let me put it in a monetary fashion compared today to the
> > > yesteryears....... When I would receive a day rate of $500 per day,
> plus
> > > $250.oo for down days of no shooting. Plus purchase cost of every roll
> of
> > > film shot! Plus all processing and a contact sheet for every roll! Some
> > > documentary
> > > > month long assignments. Sometimes several months in a row and quite
> > > possible 9 or 10 months in a year! Quite often for a variation of
> > clients.
> > > > Stock material sold through an agency some years would be close to
> > > $40,000 a year on a good year. And I didn't really work at stock as my
> > time
> > > was nearly always assigned work!
> > > > LEICA's were a piece of cake to buy. TODAY? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! Why?
> > > > Well the number one reason as far as I'm concerned?????
> > > > Those telephone cameras that everybody and their mothers own and use
> > > them quite often? Quite well for publications.
> > > > Their photography is quite well done for the pictures required these
> > > days. Plus the "seller?" :-( quite often give their pictures away for
> > > merely a "credit line" under the photo. In turn cut publication rates
> to
> > > almost nickels & dimes. OR NOTHING!
> > > > Photo books of how to do it being published are almost null & void!
> > Why?
> > > Because you can learn so much off the TV screen down loading lectures
> and
> > > lessons for almost give away prices.
> > > > Even photographer hired positions are far and few between. Do I have
> an
> > > answer to correct this new life style??? NOPE! :-(
> > > > I suppose one could be factious and say " Just stay an amateur and
> have
> > > fun!!
> > > > cheers. Dr. Ted Grant O.C.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Tina Manley via LUG
> > > > Sent: September-01-18 7:09 AM
> > > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > > Cc: Tina Manley; Lawrence Zeitlin
> > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] RE Cost of pictures
> > > >
> > > > That wouldn't work for me!!  I currently have 10,000 images with my
> > > largest
> > > > stock agency.  I'm lucky if they sell 10 a month!  Prices for stock
> > have
> > > > gone from an average of $500 per sale to $20 per sale.  If I didn't
> > have
> > > > digital and had to pay for film, I would never be able to afford my
> > > Leicas!!
> > > >
> > > > Tina
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Lawrence Zeitlin via LUG <
> > > > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> As a point of interest, the latest issue of Science magazine, the
> > > journal
> > > >> of the AAAS, reports on the annual number of photographs taken. ?In
> > the
> > > >> early 1800s, the first ever photograph was taken, an unassuming
> > picture
> > > >> that required days of exposure to obtain a very grainy image. Over
> one
> > > >> million photos were taken during the US Civil war of which 100,000
> > > survive.
> > > >> In the late 1800s, photography was used for the first time to see
> the
> > > >> movement of a running horse that was too fast for the human eye. In
> > the
> > > >> following years photography played a pivotal role in human history,
> > > ranging
> > > >> from creation of the national parks in the USA all the way to
> > > documenting
> > > >> NASA?s first moon mission  In the 1900s, roughly 10 billion
> > photographs
> > > >> were taken per year. Facilitated by the explosion of the internet,
> we
> > > will
> > > >> approach 2 trillion images this year - roughly about 1000 images per
> > > year
> > > >> for every person on the planet.?
> > > >>
> > > >> As a frequent reviewer of art and photo shows in the TriState area I
> > > have
> > > >> noticed several results of this plethora of images. First,
> figurative
> > > >> images are almost impossible to sell. Unless directly ordered by the
> > > >> recipient (i.e. a portrait or picture at ones children or a prized
> > > >> possession) the chance of selling any image approaches zero. Second,
> > we
> > > >> have run out of wall space to exhibit images. It is virtually
> > > impossible to
> > > >> book a display space unless reserved far in advance. Modern houses
> > have
> > > too
> > > >> many windows and too little blank wall space.
> > > >>
> > > >> I can conceive on only one simple fix for too many images. Raise the
> > > cost
> > > >> to at least one USD per exposure. Use film instead of digital.
> > > Currently it
> > > >> costs only pennies to take and print a picture. At current rates a
> > > year?s
> > > >> worth of photos requires only a few dollars of expense. The price
> of a
> > > new
> > > >> Leica kit is  thousands of times more expensive. Does anyone have a
> > more
> > > >> sensible solution?
> > > >>
> > > >> Larry Z
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tina Manley
> > > > www.tinamanley.com
> > > > tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> > > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley
> > > > <http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-
> > > 4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html>
> > > >
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>
>
>
> --
> Tina Manley
> www.tinamanley.com
> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley
> <http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-
> 4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html>
>
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at gmail.com (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)
Message from tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)
Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)
Message from zoeica at mac.com (chris williams) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)
Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)
Message from tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley) ([Leica] RE Cost of pictures)